1909 vdb ddo ?

I think it is. Have any idea on grade?

 

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artificial tone and or cleaned

 

but surfaces looks to cleaned to be normal.. so im thinking its a nice purplished toned

 

Yes, it does appear to be 1909 VDB DDO #1, but similar questions as to altered surfaces.

 

yes, I haven't toned it but I did soak it in warm dish washing liquid and rinsed it off with warm water. I honestly wouldn't no how

 

There was a syrup stain on it from dr pepper

 

Well I couldn't stand it . So I had to go ahead and clean it because of the toning issue.

 

....did you really? >.<

 

The toning looks like it came from being cleaned with soap.

 

kaos was right it had something on it but I don't know what it was? That was the way i found the coin, afeter he said the coin looked liked it had been toned i decided to clean it . i did use dish washing liquid to get some syrup off of it but it did not turn the coin .

 

Sigh, that was my fear when I saw it. I was just hoping he didn't do it.

 

it would of been a altered surface either way

 

Yes Since the coin is going in my collection I figured I would rather have an authentic coin. It doesn't bother me as much as others to clean a coin as long as it brings it back to its best look. Yeah I don't like dirty dishes either. It's more important to me to be able to see the details of my collection, rather than look at a coin knowing something is wrong with it.

 

It bothers collectors to find a cleaned coin but not so much me. It really bothers me to find an altered coin, that's when you go from good intention to bad intention. I'll take a cleaned coin any day.

 

But what really bothers me about this coin is looking at the condition. Why would you alter it in such a good condition?

 

Cleaned coins are essentially altered coins, because you strip the microns-thick layer on the surface of the coin that gives it an appealing patina. By cleaning coins, you are removing a part of the coin that had been there since it was struck, in essence altering it.

 

I expressed no opinion on the coin's color , as I could not tell the color. David, I am fairly sure you are using an USB microscope, or perhaps another type of LED lighted camera. It washes out most color and doesn't really give a coin a fair representation. I bought and used one when they first became available , and I had to make some "doughnut" shaped rings of paper of different thickness to put over the ring of LEDs so that the color was more natural. I gave up on the scope as it didn't have enough resolution, but at least I had solved the lighting problem with it

 

well that would mean there is no such thing as an unaltered coin as it would be constantly changing. Even under glass it would have an atomic change to the original condition.

 

Leaving a coin alone does not naturally remove anything that was present on the coin when it was struck, it just changes the patina, which influences the color and general luster of the coin.

By cleaning a coin, you are purposely altering it by REMOVING the patina. THAT is what collectors usually define as altering. An intentional change to a coin caused by something other than a natural process, such as gasses or chemicals in an environment. Dipping a coin in soapy water is not a natural environment.

 

They clean them when they are graded right ? If you pay for it...