1914 Album Toned Buffalo Nickel Does It Grade?

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  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Does it grade at NGC?

    If so what do you think the grade is?
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  3. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    What are those two round "clean" holes at 6 o'clock on the obverse? It almost looks like where current was attached to the coin. Because of those two marks, I'm going to say it doesn't grade. I'm no expert on toning, but those two untoned circles jump out at me.

    Nice looking coin.
     
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  4. bkozak33

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  5. kookoox10

    kookoox10 ANA #3168546

    I think it has a better shot at grading out. Since this was an album toned specimen, those two voids were probably paper fibers just sitting on the coin.
     
  6. KoinJester

    KoinJester Well-Known Member

  7. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Absolutely, it should grade (especially by NGC). Classic NT from an album, and they've graded many like that before. I don't collect Buffs, but 64 looks good to me. Outside shot at MS 65??? Don't know the series well enough to be sure on that.
     
  8. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I do not see a bunch of noise on it so the prime driver is going to be luster. I will go 65, but a 66 would not surprise me.
     
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  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    A bit weakly struck to make it to 66 for me but I'd expect them to grade it that.
     
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  10. TypicalCreepahx

    TypicalCreepahx Hello There! ( ͡⚆ ͜ʖ ͡⚆)

    It's beautiful ❤⭐
     
  11. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Nice color, nice horn. 65.
     
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  12. Mr. Flute

    Mr. Flute Well-Known Member

    I see a decent enough strike and very clean surfaces will warrant MS66.
     
  13. jom

    jom Well-Known Member

    It looks like a nice one there.

    However, there are a couple of things I'd like to point out. The color is OK at or near the rim but as you get toward the center it looks "too good". The concern for me is how the color spreads out rather than being "tight". I dunno...maybe I'm just overreacting.

    The other thing is the rub on the Buffalo's rear hip. That's the place you start to see wear. It could just be the photo so who knows? I would not be shocked if you see a 62 grade.

    If the issues are no biggie then I'd expect 64/65 grade. 66 is possibility depending on which TPG.

    jom
     
  14. coin dexter

    coin dexter Junior Member

    Before I say anything I want to say I find this coin very attractive!! Now, I agree with Jom, if this coin can break the color barrier it might get a numerical grade. But, I think your looking at an AU-58. As Jom has pointed out it appears to have some rub on the hip bone and flank on the rear of the Buffalo. This is the first place you'll see rub. But, it's also the last place to fill out when struck. Thus, you must look for a break in the luster in this area by tilting the coin to and fro. This is a perfect example of why it's so hard to grade a coin by images. You have a coin here with GREAT potential!! Please do let us know how it grades.....Joe
     
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  15. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    This is a tough one. Buffalo nickels are tough to me to start with, and the toning can hide some wear. The issue I see to hold it back is the LIBERTY on the obverse. I agree a high grade almost uncirculated. That said, the details on the Indian head and buffalo are both crisp, and the toning is lovely. Its value will most certainly well exceed the slab grade.
     
  16. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector

    wish I owned it, I'd say 65 maybe even a star along with it.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It is a bit unusual for me to "take the other side" if you will, but I think what some of you are seeing that you are calling rub/light wear is actually the result of a weak strike.

    Light wear always leaves behind a smooth surface.

    Whereas a weakly struck area will show something that looks similar but yet has a texture to it, a roughness or bumpiness if you will. That is because the metal that is being forced up to fill the die stops short of actually filling the die. And that leaves behind the textured surface because the metal is flowing at different rates kind of almost bubbling upwards and not moving/flowing upwards in straight flat plane.

    And if you look closely at the shoulder and flank of the buffalo you can see that textured/rough surface - not a smooth flat one. Same thing you see at the mid portion of the braid, just above the tie, on the obverse. That is a weak area as well.

    That is my opinion, guess we'll see what the TPG's opinion is in time.

    As for the color, obviously I have no problem with it. They have graded hundreds, thousands just like it. But, they are fickle when it comes to color so who knows what they'll say.
     
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  18. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    I don't see why it wouldn't grade. Nothing about that coin jumps out at me as AT, nor do I see any evidence of a cleaning.
    I'll Say 65?

    What is going on below the Indian's chin? Almost looks like letters.
     
  19. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Good eyes. It's a die clash.
     
  20. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    I think it will grade and I don't believe there is rub on the coin. It is a very nice coin. If this was a 1920's Buff I would be more forgiving about the strike, but a 1914 should be hammered and this one is not so I need to go with 65.
     
  21. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I say 64 for the coin + 1 for the color so ms-65 .
     
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