1972 IKE CLIP - need validation

I told him to post it on IDDD site for a second opinion

 

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Because its a fake..

There will not be any waste as the OP could always send it in and post the results.
IMO educated opinion, the inside edge of the clip is not authentic and that's that.

 

After seeing the new pics, I am still up in the air with this coin. As 19lyds stated generally you see some bleeding (pushed material) from clad to copper going in both directions. I am looking at this and see no bleeding going in any direction, so how did the clip happen? if its an impact clip there would be bleeding somewhere! So I thought perhaps it was a grind job with a dremel or wheel. I see no evidence in that either. I am inconclusive on this coin. I would let somebody look at it in hand if I were the OP.

 

Rck

good post Jim , I like your way of thinking. I'm thinking the coin may be authentic and a clip this large sometimes stretches some of he cladding bach from the edge of the clip. it looks like some of the clad layers is still overhanging the copper core. if the large clip is not real then someone destroyed a good error coin , because the small clip definately looks to be mint done.

 

I must have old timers disease, I posted a very similar thread on another forum about this very coin almost 2 years ago and Mike Diamond verified it was a genuine double clip. The large clip being legit. I am sorry, I found my old post by googling for clipped IKES and my post came up. I feel like a dummy but I appreciate all the input. I don't get offended by comments so not to think twice. But the bottom line is, real.

 

You are not alone , sometimes I have a hard time remembering things. Now since you mention it I believe I can slightly remember this coin being on the forum . congrats on a awesome coin , these dollar clips seem to be scarce.

 

Share the link please.

 

I googled the link for you and others that may be interested in knowing that the OP'S clipped planchet dollar is real.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=113226&whichpage=1

 

Thanks you Rascal but I still disagree with Mike Diamond and I'm sure that you can understand.

I would recommend that the OP send it in for authentication.

 

When Mike or another good error coin expert like Potter declares a coin authentic this is all that is needed to get a coin slabbed. The top TPG'S rely on the experts and always ask them for help when a unual coin comes in . The op's coin looks too real to not be a real mint error.

 

Specifically: http://www.error-ref.com/blanking-and-cutting-errors.html

From the above site on
"4. Reversal of position of exposed copper core. This pertains only to curved and elliptical clips in clad issues. In a clad coin, the copper core is asymmetrically exposed along the edge. The position of the exposed copper core "flips" when you transition from a normal edge to the clipped edge. The reason is simple: the normal edge represents the edge of the blank, while the clipped edge represents the edge of the hole.


As the blanking die pushes a blank through the hole in the perforated base plate, the edge of that hole drags the bottom clad layer onto the edge of the blank for a short distance, partly hiding the lower portion of the copper core. Simultaneously, the edge of the blanking die forces some of the top clad layer down onto the edge of the hole in the coin metal strip, partly hiding the upper part of the copper core."

 

Yes this is all true and if you will go back and look carefully at the first photo in post #16 and enlarge it you will see this same phenomenon. the op's coin is a good one IMO

 

Now that is just plain funny! Not to be rubbing fun at it but I totally lost my cool when I read this .

But I am leaning to agreeing with Lee. I would expect to see very evident "cut and shear" on such a large clip. But the fact that there is not even a bit of the shearing on the coin leads me to believe it is not an authentic clip even when Mike Diamond deemed it to be authentic. If it were mee, I'd probably contact James Wiles PhD. He's also an error collector/expert who does a lot for CONECA. I think he'll do a free consult online, but if yoou want to send it to him for a close look, he charges a small fee of $5. But seeing as Ike errors are pretty rare, I would think it would be worth a second opinion.

 

That's all I'm saying. I don't believe that the clip is authentic and the OP should get off his duff and get is authenticated or validated as unauthentic.

 

In the original Coin Community Forum thread, did Mike actually make that assessment from the images provided, or did he have the coin in hand, and then provide his opinion?? I would trust the 'in hand' interpretation, over one made from photographs...

 

Unknown but I expect the decision was made based upon the photographs seeing as how the reply was worded and there was no indication the the OP had any contact with Mike other than the thread.