Did I miss another new holder design? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-Brilli...08?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item33887c7064 Some people will try anything.
That is the worst attempt to fool people into thinking they are really PCGS coins. They didn't list their coins as certified or graded by any grading company in their auction page so they appear not to be breaking any of ebays rules. But it is still a poor attempt to fool people into thinking they are legit PCGS coins which is why I reported them. Nothing may come from it but it is in poor taste. Plus, the fact that they are calling those coins MS64 gives all of us who allow this to continue a bad name. I encourage everyone to report them.
They are not breaking any eBay rules. PCSG is what the label reads, and they are following the rules for not posting grades in titles, descriptions, etc. So, what exactly do you intend to "report" to eBay? I'm not saying it's ethical, but it's not reportable.
I'm not sure I agree this is not reportable. . . Ebay instituted a policy recently that requires grading by PCGS, NGC and/or ANACS (I believe) if a specific grade is "advertised" within a listing. Although this seller doesn't mention a grade in his listing, the picture clearly does. If I'm correct about the policy, it seems to me that this would fall into the category of a violation.
From the Ebay website. . . Policy overview To help ensure buyer confidence in the stamps, currency, and coins listed on eBay, we've established a set of guidelines for our sellers to follow. These guidelines cover what can and can't be sold on eBay, and the requirements for certain listings. Coin listings can only mention a grade in the title or listing when that grade has been given by an approved grading company. A graded coin is one that has received a numeric grade (MS-65, for example) from a coin grading company. This numeric grade can be included in the title, description, or item specifics of the listing only if the coin has been graded by a company that has been found by us to meet certain minimum objective criteria. Single coins listed in the Coins & Paper Money > Coins: US category with a starting bid price, reserve price, or Buy It Now price of $2,500 or more must receive a numeric grade from an approved grading company, and the numeric grade must be included in the listing. This requirement doesn't apply to bullion listings or collections, lots, or sets listed within the Coins & Paper Money > Coins: US category. Approved grading companies: Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC) Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) American Numismatic Association Certification Service (ANACS) Independent Coin Graders (ICG)
It seems like Ebay forgot to prohibit the "mentioning" of a grade in the picture. While this seller may not be violating the rule as written, he is, IMHO, violating "the spirit of the thing." I think I'll report as well. . . Maybe this will cause Ebay to re-think the policy as currently written. Or not.
Same seller, different "grading company". . . http://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-S-Bril...06?pt=Coins_US_Individual&hash=item4acd6a77f2
The bold and underlined is the key to the policy, in the title, or the listing, there is no mention of the grade.
Yeah.... dyslexic. I wonder what PCSG means? As we're on the topic of acronyms, I'd just like to reveal that have a condition known as CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, AS THEY SHOULD BE! (Have you heard that one?) Hey, I kinda like PCSG. It's that new TPG that we've all been waiting for! Soon to become the gold standard of TPGing, and will now take over the world! ☻/ /▌ ︻╦╤─ ░░░███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ▂▄▅████████▅▄▃▂ I███████████████████] ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤
First, as I mentioned in my original post, I said that I thought that they weren't breaking any rules, but this seller is clearly trying to be fraudulent. Thats what they should be reported for. The human brain doesn't need to see the whole word to decide what the word is. There is a term for this and I can't remember what it is. We read PCSG.....we see all the letters.....but our brain immediately translates it into PCGS because thats what we as numismatists know. It is beyond ethical, is borders on criminal in so many ways, and I am sure that those at PCGS would have something to say about it too....or is it PCSG?
In what way are they trying to be fraudulent? They've made no mention of grade from the label, nor have they mentioned this alleged TPG, which is noted on the label, and even go so far as to state, "Coin grades are an opinion and are not those expressed by the seller. Please remember that grading is subjective and we make no guarantee as to how any other party may grade any coin we sell." Where is the fraud? The listing is within the policy, and sounds pretty upfront.
The fraud is in coming alarming close to the moniker of the other TPG'er. I believe the deception is intentional.
That sounds like an issue more with whomever created that TPG service. How is the seller involved with that?
