1819 (Wilhelm III) Ein Thaler value?

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Jaques, Dec 10, 2013.

  1. Jaques

    Jaques New Member

    Hi there!

    I'm new here, so I apologize if I do not have proper forum etiquette. Looking through my collection, I've found a few that I cannot identify. This one I believe is German, "Ein Thaler 1819" on one side, and "Friedr. Wilhelm III Koenig Von Preussen" on the other. It seems to be in very nice condition with some nice toning (for its age). Ill include pictures.

    Does anyone have an idea of what it is worth?

    thanks!
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  3. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector

  4. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    looked threw my 19th century catalog but I did not find it in there. is it a coin or medal ?
     
  5. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    looked threw my 19th century catalog but I did not find it in there. is it a coin or medal ?
     
  6. Jaques

    Jaques New Member

    Thanks Sonlarson! Spirityoda, I'm assuming its a coin since it has a denomination.
     
  7. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Agreed, a coin. From Prussia (there was no Germany at that time), and that type is called a Kanonen-Taler (Cannon Thaler) because one side shows the Prussian eagle on a cannon.

    Christian
     
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  8. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    In this condition (vf) about 120 Dollars.
    There is no variety of this year.....shows signs of old cleaning..but authentic.

    "Brustbild in Uniform und Hermelinmantel"

    Friedrich Wilhelm III was the king of Prussia....from 1797 to 1840 and an enemy of Napoleon...in October 2013 we celebrated in Germany the bicentennial celebration of the successfull war against Napoleon.

    Nice Coin with interesting history.
     
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  9. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Oh, did "we"? I do remember that some people commemorated the brutal Leipzig Battle (Völkerschlacht) and its many victims -- in a country, by the way, that just shortly before that battle had switched sides: Saxony had, like Bavaria, been an ally of France before. And Friedrich Wilhelm only turned into Napoleon's "enemy" in 1813 - until then he had found it more convenient to be sort of neutral. And unfortunately that battle was not the end of the Napoleonic Wars ...

    Christian
     
  10. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Hi Christian,
    In deed there were a lot oft victims and the voelkerschlacht was the turning point of this cruel war like the battle of Gettysburg in American history.
    But is was the beginning of self determination in Europe.
    And this causes a celebration.
     
  11. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Well, I am in NW (Rhineland), and in 1796 France occupied the area where I now live. In 1815 Prussia swallowed it, because some kings, princes, etc. had made that decision in Vienna. ;) Self-determination? Hardly.

    Interestingly, quite a few people initially reacted positively to the changes the French brought here: the ideas of the French revolution, civil rights, legal changes (the Prussians were wise enough to to not replace the Code Civil, written in the "modern" spirit of the Enlightenment, with their Preußisches Landrecht in the occupied territories). It was primarily Napoleon's wars that changed people's views: Why should they starve or die for his ambitions?

    Had the winners of the alliance against Napoleonic France actually put the ideas of Stein and particularly Hardenberg into practice after 1813 or 1815, my opinion about the aftermath of the Battle of Leipzig would be a little different. But that did not or hardly happen then ...

    Wait, this is a coin forum :cool: so let me add something else: Last year the Russian central bank came up with a 5 ruble coin which commemorates the battle. This year Deutsche Post issued a 45 ct stamp commemorating ... no, not the 200th anniversary of the battle but the 100th anniversary of the opening of the battle memorial.

    (Sorry, Jaques, for the little detour ...)

    Christian
     
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  12. sonlarson

    sonlarson World Silver Collector


    Actually I find this all interesting. History and coins go together.
     
  13. Jaques

    Jaques New Member

    Great ready! Thanks guys for the history lesson!
     
  14. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Napoleon was obviously neither a hero nor a monster.
    But his influence was enormous for the years afterward.
    The code civil, like Christian mentioned, was one good thing...
    but his hunger for more and more land united the european countries for the first time in history.....just a short time but worth to mention and worth to celebrate.
     
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