Coolest Thing To Walk In The Store This Week *World & Ancient Edition*

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by LostDutchman, Dec 7, 2013.

  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    You can definitely see the Roman coin style influences in those three OP coins, especially imo the second one.
     
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  3. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Regarding the rusty dies; There is a very interesting statement on Tony Clayton's site here: http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/penny.html
    This suggests that corrosion marks might be an indicator of a later restrike, made after the dies were bought from Boulton by W.J Taylor in 1848.
     
  4. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Great coins Mr Lostdutchman!
    Here are a few Penny photos I like to share:
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  5. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    Just my 2¢ and completely out of left field, Doug, but if the corrosion would normally be expected in the high points and instead is found on the low points, is it possible that the hub was corroded instead?
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Dies were not made by hubbing, as you mean it, until 1900.

    "In 1790, Boulton learned of the die-engraving machine of Jean Baptiste Bartlemey Dupeyrat (1759-1834) and obtained one for his Soho Mint. It was utilized there to do what it did in other mints – reducing the main device from an oversize metal pattern, then employed hand engravers to add lettering and small symbols by hand punches."

    "Boulton is noted for expressing the wish in 1797, “I look to the time when it can cut the entire side of a coin or medal, not just the device.” This was not to happen until Victor Janvier invented his die engraver in 1899."
     
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  7. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I had bought part of this group raw from the same customer a few weeks ago and shipped it off to NGC. The customer had sent in the first 3 I posted to start this thread.

    Here are the others from that collection that came back from NGC today.

    I'll get some better pics here in a few.

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  8. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Nice lot!
     
  9. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Here's a closeup of the penny.

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  10. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I found that coin's older sibling:

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    (a bronze coin of Roman emperor Antoninus Pius, the reverse legend and figure is BRITANNIA)

    Makes me wonder if they had ancient coins at hand when they modeled those British coins. I do know during the 1700s-1800s there was plenty of study and interest in the cultures of the classical ancient era.
     
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  11. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    LOL!:D

    In all seriousness, that's pretty cool.

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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Here are a few coins lest we think Pius was being original other than adding the legend Britannia. More common are seated left figures on a chair as with the Alexander tetradrachm series but Seleucid Apollos sat on the navel of the world (rock). Athena has an appropriately placed shield and holds something (Victory - Romans went for winning rather than peace???) out to the left. Nero's Roma is seated on a cuirass rather than a rock but there is a shield. Britannia of the UK coppers was just the latest in a long line of seated figures. I suspect all of these would have been familiar to an 18th century gentleman in the engraving business.

    Sorry, none of my coins are proofs.
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  13. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    So I'll ask here since you didn't answer my PM -- do you intend to auction these off, or bring them to shows? Or keep them for your personal collection?
     
  14. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Here is one I've posted recently:
    Lysimachus Collage.jpg
    Kings of Thrace, Lysimachus, Lampsakos
    AR Tetradrachm
    297-281 BC

    16.77 grams, 29 mm
     
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  15. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    with Matt, everything is for sale
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Oh what I could say to that - but think it would be not to :D
     
  17. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I'm sorry I didn't see the PM.

    Mike is correct. Pretty much everything we post is for sale in the shop or on eBay at some point or another. I'd love to be able to keep some of the stuff we get in... But id quickly be broke...
     
  18. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Here is a neat medal I bought that I'm researching. I can find reference to it as a medal struck by Stokes and Martin in 1869. It bears the portrait of an Aborigine... having trouble identifying it further as to it's purpose.
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  19. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I don't know anything about the medal, but that there is King Billy, the last of the Tasmanians.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Billy_(Tasmania)
     
  20. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Thanks for the link. I would guess that this is some sort of death medal then as he died in 1869 and the medal is dated as such.
     
  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Searching on Bili ex Rex I see there were other medals with write ups mentioning this one. The 1872 version had IH on the bust truncation for the engraver of the head Julius Hogarth. It also changed the Australia to Vict. All but a couple I saw were holed. One for 1889 was dated on the reverse and mentioned the oddity seen on your medal that the 8 in the date was made from a recut 6. In all honesty, I'm less than sure I would have read your coin's date with the two middle digits different but the references say it is 1869. Some were linked to various expositions and selling souvenirs and Expos was quite fashionable in the day so I doubt the reason for issue is much beyond that. One listed the item as 'Carlisle B2' so I assume there is a reference unknown to me by that name.
     
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