1795 Flowing Hair Dollar 2 Leaf

Hi there. I am in the process of getting a coin back from PCGS, and it came back as Genuine - VF Details (98 - Damage) what does that mean? I have gotten one back saying cleaning but not one back that just says damage? How can you tell what the value would be then? Any help would be great. Thanks

 

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I also have a 1798 draped bust dollar small eagle with 15 stars that came back as the same ? they were sent in at the same time. How does one determine the value. Thanks

 

98 damage means that obviously the coin was damaged somehow. Common damages include graffiti, removed mount, rim damage, surface damage, and tooled surfaces. I think pcgs usually says what kind of damage the coin had on the slab. Got a picture?

 

I will post a picture as soon as pcgs has it posted. I paid for their photo service. Kind of sucks paying for walkthrough service thinking the coin is worth more and then it comes back damaged.

 

Which is Better PCGS or NGC? I have read good and bad about both.

 

Call PCGS and ask for clarification on the damage. Many times the grader will put more information on the work slip than the small label can show. They can read this information to you over the phone. With that, you will have to check auction sites with a similar description of your coin.
Which service is better is only a personal opinion. I have used both for silver coins and they are equal. Copper is a different story.

 

I can see the damage on the back of the 2 leaf but really that constitutes not being able to grade the coin?

 

If the grader feels the damage was caused by someone in the process of doctoring the coin, cleaning it, repairing it, tooling it, defacing it, etc.; he can call it details only, or genuine or what ever - and not assign a numerical grade. It's his call.

 

as I said above I can see the damage to the 1795 flowing hair dollar but not to the 1798 draped bust dollar. and I don't think that little chunk out of just the back should constitute a NO GRADE in my opinion.

 

Maybe the damage at 9 o'clock on the reverse?

Either way, they certainly are beautiful coins regardless of the grades. I'd be happy owning one of those any day of the week.

 

I do see some type of spotting on the breast, up along the neck and over to the ear. There is the same type of blemishing going on between two stars at about 10 o'clock. Maybe something was sitting on the coin, or splashed on it, and a reaction occurred over time. I certainly don't know if the grader saw this or something else. I would spend the dime and call just to appease your own mind. I did that on a MS Details grade, and they were happy to spend the time and go over it with me.

 

There are heavy scratches between "OF AMERICA" on the 1795 while the 1798 has many intersecting scratches on the obverse through "LIBERTY".

 

I saw that on the 1795 as well Tom, along with the rim damage. The OP said he could see the damage on that coin. When you click on the photograph of the 1798 Draped Bust Dollar, the spotting has a brownish yellow appearance and can easily be seen when enhanced. Again I will say, this may or may not be part of the grader's concern. The scratches become more visible, along the upper rim, when enhanced as well.

 

But do you think on the. 1798 that would constitute a no grade? I can see the damage on the 1795 but still baffles me to a no grade. I have seen worse ones graded with a 20 or 30. What do any of you think they are worth ?

 

Value is very tough to assign once a coin ends up in a "problem" holder. I wish I could help you more.

 

I'll give you my guess, but Tom B who replied, is a dealer and has sources available to him I don't. If he doesn't want to suggest a price, don't count on mine being correct either. My guess, as is, would be $6000 to $8000 each through an auction house. There was an 2 leaf XF45 without damage that sold for $19,500 in April of this year and an AU53 15 star 1798 that sold for $21,275, also without damage in April. You may want to break it out of the holder and even sell it as is.

 

I got the 2 coins back this morning. the 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar 2 leaf says Tooled-VF details. what exactly does Tooled mean? and the 1798 Draped Bust Small Eagle says Smoothed - VF details. What does Soothed Mean in the Coin World?

 

You know, the obverse on the 1798 almost looks tooled to me. I'm not an expert with these coins, but there is a lot more detail on the bust than I would expect to see with the amount of wear on the reverse. I'm not sure if tooling falls under their general 98 damage code or if it has it's own code. But, again I'm no expert with this type so I could be wrong.

 

Yeah it came back as 98 damaged and then the coins say tooled on the one and smoothed on the other.


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