What if? (1964 peace dollar)

Mike? Don't go there. A lecture in futility.......

 

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Yes a lecture would be in futility but feel free to show me where I'm going wrong. What reason would Dan Brown have to lie about it?

 

Caleb? That response wasn't directed at you.

 

And I love Dan Brown, Hunger Games, Right?

[tongue in cheek]

 

I'm bad!

 

LOL!

 

Felons can be held in jails, but this, of course, depends on the sentence (NY) and can range from a rather minor conviction and sentence of 6/5 (6 mo jail/5 yr probation) up to a sentence of two years done as so-called "back to back years" (16 or 24 months). IIRC, the only inmates without multiple charges/convictions that can he held in jails over 24 months are federal inmates awaiting trial/sentencing and/or illegal immigrants.

 

I was recently on a jury. The trial was a domestic dispute trial, and we sentenced the defendant to 9 months in county jail. We could have sent him to state prison for up to 10 years, but we were much kinder than we should have been. My point is that you can be sent to jail for a felony.

 

Sure, Mr. Carr owns the dies, (1964 Peace Dollar) he also bought a press from the mint, not sure which mint, Bernad Von Nothaus was making the coins, they are called LIBERTY, and can be found on ebay, here a couple of headlines
U.S. Secret Service Bans Liberty Gold and Silver Coins On eBay ...
www.infowars.com/u-s-secret-service-bans-liberty-gold-and-silver-coins-...‎
Dec 17, 2012 - eBay was contacted by the U.S. Secret Service sometime last month to remove the Liberty Dollar precious metal coins. Citing consistency with ... heres another one
u.s. secret service bans certain gold and silver coins on ebay - forbes

www.forbes.com/.../u-s-secret-service-bans-certain-gold-and-sil...‎
by Jon Matonis - in 1,471 Google+ circles
Dec 15, 2012 - eBay was contacted by the U.S. Secret Service sometime last month to remove the Liberty Dollar precious metal coins. Citing consistency with ... and even another one
Liberty Dollars ban goes into effect at eBay | Coin World
www.coinworld.com/articles/liberty-dollars-ban-goes-into-effect-at-ebay‎
Dec 10, 2012 - At the request of the U.S. Secret Service, eBay has begun purging the online auction site of listings offering for sale Liberty Dollar medallions in ... This is no joke, this person will die in federal jail

 

Brain Fart by me .

 

Who is "this person"? It's not Van Nothaus, as he is still awaiting sentencing, and never spent a single day in prison (jail). The max he could receive is twenty years, and probably would serve less than five.
Norfed dollars have been discussed ad nauseam here on CT over the past five years (and maybe longer), as well as Daniel Carr and his fantasy coins. The press he uses was from the Denver Mint, purchased at auction. Also, Carr engraves his own dies.

 

Yeah right.

Even the 1974 Aluminum Cent, which is illegal to own and subject to Secret Service Confiscation, has made an appearance in public via a photograph! Heck. It even got graded by, not one, but TWO National Grading Services!

This doesn't even address the 1933 St Gaudens! Jeez! There's 11 of them which have made public appearances!

Those folks that continue to spout that "absence of evidence doesn't prove a thing" are living in a dream world.

However, I can understand the "wish" of some to believe that a 1964-D Peace Dollar does exist somewhere out there in la la land but the sad reality is that.........ITS ONLY A WISH!

 

Geez Rick! Do a little research before spreading "rumors".

Daniel Carr is the fellow which produced these but they weren't from dies sold by the US Mint. The dies for the 1964-D Peace Dollars were destroyed along with the coins. Daniel Carr purchased a surplused press from the US Mint (along with some other foreign countries) and "created" his dies probably using real Peace Dollar molds.

Ref this site: http://www.moonlightmint.com/blog_1.htm

The last I heard, he wasn't in jail and has no fear of being arrested since he posts regularly about his Fantasy Pieces.

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=898532&highlight_key=y

 

Hey I'll argue with you Caleb!


What do you want to argue about??

 

Okay, what I heard. A few decades ago some experimental aluminum coins were sent to selected members of Congress for exam. About 14 of them suddenly got lost before being returned. For years that was considered a myth coin. Then one day a relative of someone who used to be a US Capital Bldg. Police Officer (read guard/ no insult intended) turned one over to numismatic people for exam. Yup, one of the missing coins.

What I speculate. Talk to other folks who worked in the Capital Bldg when those coins inexplicably vanished, janitors, guards, file clerks, etc. you may find more of the missing aluminum coins.

I worked with Brinks for awhile back in the 70s. I know we brought a lot of bags of silver coins from the Federal Reserve Banks to strange places (Emergency War Reserves). West Point Depository was just the tip of the places we brought silver and gold to for hiding in Secret vaults.

Much more recently I have been inside the DC mint complex (where paper is printed). They have occasional internal theft problems there too (especially during the Crack era of the 90s, all DC area govt. buildings did).

In 1964 the Heroin epidemic years hadn't really begun yet. Most lower level mint employees back then were probably still innocent and super honest.

So I doubt they would have taken the 64 Peace coins. 300,000 or not.

Would a higher level mint employee lie about them being melted if they were being shunted off to a Secret reserve fund to be broken out after a nuclear attack? Sure, why not?

Is that those coins proable fate? Nah. Much easier to just melt the 64 Peace dollars back down into new Kennedy halves or quarters or some such and ship bags of CC Dollars to the War Reserve Vaults controlled by the FPA (an ancestor of FEMA) which was itself controlled by the GSA.

GSA sold off a lot of what had been stored in their FPA vaults. Is there still any such thing as an Emergency War Reserve Program? Probably. Are there still silver dollars sitting in it? I doubt it. It is much more probable you are looking at 400 Troy ounce ingots and Silver Eagle bullion coins. I am not sure, but if there was the kind of crisis that required the releasing of vaulted silver supplies into trade of some kind, would not the surviving public be more comforted by seeing new bullion rounds rather than by old silver dollars?

Hey, maybe I am 1,000% wrong and in 2015 GSA announces the release of 'just discovered' 1964 Peace dollars to be sold at auction. Relax. You will be able to afford them. All 9 of them. I say 9 because the release would probably take the exact shape and format of the last release of Carson City Morgan Dollars.

Hmm, actually, I consider it more probable that if a sudden auction of 'newly discovered' dollar coins happens, they will probably be Peace Dollars from the 1920s and 30s, not the mythical 1964s.

 

Or members of the committee on coinage and banking at the time since they were the ones who received them. When one of them finally left office one of his aides found one of the aluminum cents in his bosses desk. Rather than turn it over to the mint like he was supposed to he sent it to the Smithsonian instead. That is where the Smithsonian got the only specimen they have.

 

http://www.coinworld.com/articles/pcgs-offers-reward-for-1964-d-peace-dollar
This articular/link should help there 2 1974 LMC Aluminum known

 

1974 Aluminum Penny, Except in "Fascinating Facts, Mysteries & Myths" page 207 author Robert R. Van Ryzin attributes the recovery of the coin to the relative of a US Capital Police Officer who 'found it' laying in a hall way. <I note that existing Fed Property Regs of the time required him to turn it in at the lost and found desk, but he didn't.>

Not known by me what happened to it after it's authenticity was confirmed, but this may be the one you believe was found by a legislators aide.

 

I believe I met you there Saturday. My little brother-and-law wanted to get his copy of the book signed, but Ken was always off doing things, and we finally caught him right as we were leaving.

Was it you who offered to trade our unsigned book for a signed one, but we had the wrong edition?

 

that was jim, but yes I was there when you showed up, thats show was a lot of fun