ID help about one coin

Hello. I have one coin that I don't know what is

This coin reads:

Obverse: LEOPOLDVS.DG. R.....BR - the middle letters can not be read
Reverse: ARCHID. ....... BVR.SIL. 1688

Can you help me with the ID and value of this coin?

Thanks in advance

 

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Can you please post some photos? I strongly suspect that this is a coin of the Holy Roman Empire (Austria).

Aidan.

 

size? metal? weight? any designs still apparent on it?........the more data you can provide the more likely you will get someone to identify the coin for you.

A scan of the coin would assist greatly

 

Unfortunately at this moment the only photos I can post are made with my cell phone and the quality isn't very good, but here they are





http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=image003jr2.jpg

 

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I've given your inquiry its own thread which is likely to get more attention than an add-on to a thread about a completely different coin.

Ian is absolutely right - giving us a picture, or at least all the information you can about the coin, will greatly aid in getting it identified and valued.

 

Now I know why I've never bothered getting a camera-type cell phone. Sorry my friend, out-of-focus pictures are not really much help. Do you have a scanner?

 

Some Austrian coin of Leopold I Habsburg (1658-1705) - LEOPOLDVS. He was also caesar and arch-duke (how to say in english "archidux"?). Shortcut BVR shows that the coin is small - maybe 3 kreutzer? Photo is necessary!

 

As Roy said - send a better photo. It could be some Austrian coin of Leopold I Habsburg (1658-1705) - LEOPOLDVS. He was also caesar and arch-duke (how to say in english "archidux"?). Shortcut BVR shows that the coin is small - maybe 3 kreutzer? 6 Kreutzer?

 

dd:

The `BUR' part is surely an abbreviation for Burgundiae (that is, part of Leo's many titles) and nothing whatsoever to do with the size of the coin that i'm aware of. (?)

If we are to play `who can id the coin first with the least amount of data available', then let me add that the SIL part in the legend is more than likely to identify the coin as being minted for `Silesia'. :kewl:

 

I think nyhariel's point is that using the shortest possible abbreviation indicates a lack of room for a longer one, and therefore a small coin. Makes sense to me.

 

While it may appear to make perfect sense hypothetically, it does not hold up when you test it against reality. For example all silver thalers minted for Leopold I at Vienna mint have legends that read Archidux Austriae Dux Bur Com Tyrol. Now they simply aren't `small'.

 

In the case of ancient Roman coins,this is true.Larger coins like the dupondis use very few abbreviations except for those denoting rank or title.Names are spelled out in full,where on a smaller coin,everything is held down to a bare minimum 1-4 letters in most cases .

 

(?) You must be forgetting all about reverse legends when you mention ancient Roman coinages Mik . Just looking at one coin I have immediately at hand, (a Nerva denarius roughly the same dimensions as an Austrian 3 kreuzer of the Leopold I time frame), the reverse legend reads `Fortuna August'. No abbreviation to 4 letters there mah deah chep.

In relation to Austrian Empire coinage, (specifically the use of BUR as an abbreviation for Burgundiae), i've seen it abbreviated to BU on larger coins, i've seen it expanded to BURG on the smaller denomination coinage.

Much as though logic might dictate otherwise, `spelling' on its own gives no indication whatsoever as to the size of the coin. Sometimes they just made the font smaller.....sometimes that enabled them to say more....or less.

 

Well the size of the coin is 25mm and the metal looks like silver. A scan of the coin will be provided later this week . I deeply appreciate the help from you fellows.

The back of the coin is very close to this: http://mek.oszk.hu/01900/01911/html/cd5a/kepek/c1251sf137.jpg Just there are some difference in the crown, the inscriptions and in the shield in the middle of the "eagles" (it looks like a eagles to me )

 

SIL? SILESIA? Ian, some part of Silesia was in Austrian hands.
Please, keep in mind that I live in Silesia

So, we`ll wait for the photo.

 

Tom,the Holy Roman Emperors were also Archdukes of Austria right up to 1804,when Austria became an empire,but Emperor Franz I of Austria did not abdicate as Holy Roman Emperor until 1806.

Silesia was for a time taken over by Austria,then it ended up as part of Prussia until just after World War I,when the Poles & the Germans were fighting for possession over Silesia.

Aidan.

 

Yes, Silesia. Leopold I titles included Duke of Silesia (amongst other things) On coinage this is usually abbreviated from DUX SIL to simply SIL when added to the other titles. For example, a reverse legend of `Archidux Austria. Dux Bur. Sil. Co. Tyr translates as `Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy and Silesia, Count of Tyrol '.

I always thought that coinage issued by the Austrian authorities specifically for Silesia (ie Breslau mint) had SIL added to the legends (?). Am I mistaken in thinking that?

It had not escaped me that you live in Poland. It's one of the reasons I was surprised you hadn't immediately thought of Silesia......

 

Here's three different examples of the small 3 kreuzer coins all issued during the time of Leopold 1 (aka `The Hogmouth').

Please note the reverse legends. They give clues as to the region they were minted in and for.

The first was minted at Breslau mint in Poland. The reverse legend reads:

ARCHID. AUS. DUX. BUR. SIL. 1695



The second was minted at Graz mint. The reverse legend reads:

ARCHID: AUS: D: BURG: STYRIAE. 1698



The third was minted at Vienna mint. The reverse legend read:

ARCHIDUX: AUST: DUX: BUR: CO: TYR. 1694



As you can readily see, the titles in the legends denote the areas in which the coinage was intended to circulate. They also identify the mint where they were made. You can also readily see that the Graz issue has BURG, proving my point that the spelling is no indication of `denomination' size.

Hope that helps clarify.

 

Ian,the 'BURG' is actually a reference to Burgau,which was an Austrian territory located in what is now Bavaria.

Aidan.

 

Ian, I know. You can find 3 kreutzers also in my collection, also made in Breslau mint (now: Wroclaw, Lower Silesia). Silesia was parted between Prussia and Austria, later between Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia, nowedays most of Silesia is in Poland, small part in Czech Republic. I live in Upper Silesia, where - as Aidan said - in early 20s` were 3 uprisings against Weimar Republic ... In XVIIth century my hometown was 3 times the self-dependent free city.
So, let`s wait for a photo.