Walking Liberty Grading- By Photograde

Alright, so I'm trying to determine if this coin is a F or a VF, the front looks like a nice VF20/30, but the back, according to Photograde could be a low F or maybe even a VG....

What do you think?

1923-S


edited - copyright


I know the skirt lines in the early years before 1921 was different, but it's still hard to determine the grade by using the pictures in this book.

What do you think, fine or very fine?

 

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I agree F12.

 

Comparing the photos provided to PCGS photograde, I agree with the two above me. Might go F15 on a good day.

 

The wear on the obverse is enough to put the coin at VG-10.

 

Except it matches the wear on a VF-20 in the photograde examples.

 

IMO, the wear is very close to the F12. I could not strongly disagree with F15, but the details are not as strong as the VF20 shown.

 

Well, here's a VF-20 example that I sold recently (maybe it has less wear, or is it just ANACS overgrading?):

 

No way, no how is the coin posted in the OP a VF.

 

I've seen some pretty crappy '21-21d-21s coins grade vf. maybe they go easier on the early years? the OP coin is a maybe vf, not that I agree but it might grade that.

 

So the coin used in the Photograde book are not a good example of what a VF20 should look like then?

 

This may help.....

 

I'm in the F-12 group . Still a nice looking coin . Walkers wear well in my opinion .

 

Tom... do you think the ANACS coin I posted is a VF-20? I don't.

 

What I am writing is that the coin shared in the first post is not consistent with how the ANA Grading Guide would grade a VF WLH, is not consistent with how I would grade a VF WLH and is not consistent with my experience in how PCGS would grade a VF WLH. It looks like an F. I'll post a few images later of slightly older WLHs that are already graded by PCGS and that are more in line with how I would grade coins.

 

Here are three early WLHs where I agree with the grade and they are in the same basic grade range-

1916-S PCGS F15/CAC-
I recently sold this coin from my website, so I would not have possession of it if you had any questions about its surfaces or color.



1916-S PCGS VF25/CAC-



1921 PCGS VF25/CAC OGH-
Truly, I think this coin is undergraded and would be more accurately portrayed in a VF30 holder.

 

In terms of visible skirt lines that is definitely true, but for overall details of the remainder of the coins I am not so certain there is much difference.