Capped Bust Halves, Please Grade

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  1. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    So, this is a series that I know next to nothing about. Over the years I have acquired three of them and they don't mean much to me. I am in the process of severely downsizing my collection and I want some grade opinions prior to letting these coins go. I think I'm going to keep one of the three so I have one for my type set (probably the 1825 as I think it's the nicest). So, please grade my 1818, 1825, and 1831 Capped Bust Halves. Also, if you have an opinion on value I would be interested in knowing it. Thanks.

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  3. Bedford

    Bedford Lackey For Coin Junkies

    VG10 ,VF25,F12 rev scratches - all cleaned but I'm sure you know that.
     
  4. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I would of went F , VF , F all details . Value could hinge on the Overton # in case one is rare . Maybe tomorrow I'll have some extra time to ID them for you . Unless there's a rare one I'd say around $50 wholesale .
     
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  5. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    F12 details, VF30 details, F15 details. The 2nd coin is a bit washed out so I can't quite tell the amount of detail on the obverse.
     
  6. Sean the Coin Collector

    Sean the Coin Collector Active Member

    all details coins the first fine details, second vf detail and the last good fine details but the appeal is horrible you would be lucky to get 38-45 dollars, the 1818 you might get in the 60 dollar range and on a good day the 1825 would get you in the 65-70 range !
     
  7. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    VG-10 details, VF-25, VG-10 details
     
  8. bsowa1029

    bsowa1029 Franklin Half Addict

    I can't really offer an opinion on grade since I probably know less about the series than you. However, I do agree about keeping the 1825. From the pictures it's cleaning doesn't look as bad as the other two.
    The 1818 and 1831 make me cringe.
     
  9. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I'd really appreciate knowing if the are any rare Overton varieties here.
     
  10. Joe2007

    Joe2007 Well-Known Member

    1818 - F-15 details, heavily cleaned. Value - $45 retail at most unless it is a rare variety.
    1825 - VF-25, likely cleaned but still has decent eye appeal. Would be good for a type set. Value - $70 retail.
    1831 - F-12 details, heavily cleaned. Value - $40 retail at most unless a rare Overton.

    I would say keep the 1825 since it is not too bad. The other two will be difficult to sell even at bargain basement prices. I have to agree with bsowa1029, the 1818 and 1831 make me cringe.
     
  11. CBJesse

    CBJesse Capped Bust Fanactic

    1818- O-113, R-3, some PUPs are the high E in STATES, T-I relation, star to dentil relation and date placement.

    1825- O-111, R-3, some PUPs are the attached AM, ED, and RI as well as S13 touches curl and S7 points to upper part of headband.

    1831- O-110, R-2, some PUPs are the left stars are drawn to the edge and most right stars are as well. Also, A below T in STATES and the T-I relation.

    Just in case you didnt know, PUP means 'pick up points", T-I is the T in STATES and I in PLURIBUS, and S1 means star 1, etc. with the star count starting on the left side and counting clockwise.

    So, while the marriages are on the scarcer side, I don't believe any will draw a premium.

    Jesse
     
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  12. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Can you please refresh my memory to the R-scale. I know R-2 and R-3 give an idea of how many remain, but I can't remember the actual number. I know 2 and 3 is pretty common.
     
  13. CBJesse

    CBJesse Capped Bust Fanactic

    No problem, here is the rarity ratings as described in the Overton book:

    R.1 Common over 1000
    R.2 Slightly Uncommon 500-1000
    R.3 Scarce 201-500
    R.4 Very Scarce 81-200
    R.5 Rare 31-80
    R.6 Very Rare 13-30
    R.7 Extremely Rare 4 to 12
    R.8 Unique or nearly so 1 to 3
     
  14. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Premiums for coins like this really don't move up much unless in the R-5 group or higher . CB Jesse knows his stuff .
     
  15. Soft Coins

    Soft Coins Member

    As I am sure you know the grading services have 101 reasons not to straight grade the coins; "cleaned" is the catch all one, not that it will do you any good in selling them. NNC, SEGS and ICG as the most liberal may be the best shot at getting numerical grades, but the first two at least don't have much market acceptance.
     
  16. superc

    superc Active Member

    I concur that the 1825 is the only one worth keeping. I would try to dump the other two on Ebay. Some newbie may give you more than Redbook for them. 'rare silver' 'genuine early Americana coins' is how I would write the intro. I try not to touch caps that aren't at least a 40.
     

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