Three cent super die clash and Walter Breen

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by treylxapi47, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I recently won an 1865 copper nickel three cent piece and I was wondering if anyone had a Breen book to look up varieties for that year.

    What I am looking for is a heavy die clash on the reverse. And by heavy, I mean like tripled heavy. It is well defined and very obviously a clash, extremely obvious.

    I originally thought it was a severe scratch but not so, when looking at it I asked myself 'what if it's a die clash' and started looking at it from that perspective. So I quickly flipped it over back to the obverse for orientation to try and understand what I was looking at.

    It is a full profile of lady Liberty's facial outline. Three times. Shows the bridge of her nose up to her eyebrow and all the way down to her neckline. It is slabbed and no mention of this by a Breen designation.

    Can anyone help? Cherry-pickers Guide? Breen Encyclopedia?

    I'm trying for pictures now.
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    It's not listed in Breen.
     
  4. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I'll be back in like 5 minutes with pictures.
     
  5. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Here's a look. Sorry for the quality of the pictures. Best with what I had.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  6. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    That's pretty neat, looks like 2-4 clash events.
     
  7. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Coming from the top of the far right column going downwards you start with the slope of the forehead, running to her nose, then dipping back in for her lips, the third bulbous portion is her chin, then going back and down through the numeral as her neckline.

    Very prominent in my eyes, hope the picture shows it well. It's cool the clash is tripled too. I'm like Christmas excited right now.
     
  8. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    In hand it looks like three and only one small place along those lines it fades out to just two lines instead of three all the way through.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    That's a cool clash.
     
  10. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Are there any marks on the obverse?
     
  11. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    I can't tell what's going on with the obverse, I see what looks possible for a die crack and there's a possibility I am seeing a portion of a numeral just the right side of the lower right neckline of Liberty, but I'm not sure and can't really look at it in depth any more for the night.

    I hope someone came track something down for me. Very neat feature I do believe.
     
  12. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Clashed dies are not unusual for this series, but of course they are still neat.
     
  13. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Super cool clashes !

    Die clashes aren't die varieties; rather, they point to certain die states. Though I think they're cool, die states tend to be in less demand amongst collectors than die marriages.
     
  14. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Not really much to track down. Very few clash die coins make it into a reference book. This image might help you spot where the other parts of the clash should be located.

    [​IMG]
     
    geekpryde and Kasia like this.
  15. treylxapi47

    treylxapi47 Well-Known Member Dealer

    Well I definitely see the same clash in the reverse of this example so that's cool. However I do not have my coin in hand to compare against this one. Pesky ol work getting in the way of my coin fun this morning.

    Thanks for the help and info everyone.
     
  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    clashes are rarely listed
     
  17. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm a big fan of clash die coins. Some don't care to own them and others may pay a bit extra. Every coin is different. I'm not sure I have ever seen a clash quite like the OP coin. Interesting coin.
     
  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    As mentioned die clashes are not varieties and typically are only listed in connection with another variety to indicate a die stage of that variety. This is because any pair of dies can clash and result in virtually idential sets of clash marks. Also during the life of a die it may clash, the marks wear away, and clash again etc. All of those would be different states of the same die variety even though they might look different.
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page