Ancients => a couple of wee lil' dolphins (500 BC)

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  1. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    This is now my "2nd oldest coin" (my Lydia AR Siglos, with the Lion & Bull is slightly older) ...

    Oh, and I realize that this coin has some porosity issues, but in this particular case I think the surface flaws look kinda cool ... enjoy!!

    :cool:


    ISLANDS off THRACE, Thasos
    AR Sixteenth Stater – Hemiobol

    Circa 500-480 BC
    Diameter: 8 mm
    Weight: 0.56 grams
    Obverse: Two dolphins swimming in opposite directions; pellets around
    Reverse: Quadripartite incuse square
    Reference: Le Rider, Thasiennes 9; HGC 6, 337
    Other: toned, light porosity


    Islands Off Thrace Thasos Hemiobol a.jpg Islands Off Thrace Thasos Hemiobol b.jpg
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Not bad for a guy on the wagon. It had to have mammals, right?

    Actually, I'm envious, so don't listen to Mister Crab (me) who's still sittin' on that mean 'ol wagon.
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  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I agree about the porosity - it doesn't detract from the eye appeal at all. It's a wonder they weren't constantly losing those little coins. Or maybe they were...
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I don't consider this look 'porosity'-- it's old metal crystallization, which can be an interesting look in itself.

    Thumbs up, nice catch!
     
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  6. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Cool coin, never seen the type before. Like the toning too.
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Very nice specimen! Mine is only .4g but has one dolphin. Defective? It seems too heavy to be half of yours. Do you have a reference? I am away from books for a week. g00715bb2642.jpg
     
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  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem


    Well Bing, the whole story goes a bit like this:

    There I was, livin' large and spendin' coin-cash like it was water!! (good times, right?)

    Ummm and then unfortunately, I was e-mailing my buddy (Batman) and asking his advice on one of the CNG-coins that I bid-on, when my lovely wife came downstairs to see how I was doing ... stupidly, I didn't panic and I didn't close-down my e-mail ... instead, I confidently stated what I was doing ...

    => well in hindsight, it is always better to panic and close-down your e-mail when you're discussing buying ancient coins!! (who knew? => lesson learned) ...

    Bottom-line => this coin and the next coin that I'm about to post are my last two purchases until the new year (and beyond?!!)

    So, that was a couple of weeks ago => and today these coins have finally come to auction and "oh boy, I won!!" .... so again, sadly, these are the last couple of stevex6 beauties for a while!! (*sigh*)


    :(
     
  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Thanks for the compliment, Doug ... oh, and thanks for posting your "one-dolphin" example (awesome/interesting) ...


    Ummm, I was unsure what you were wanting, but I did find a CNG link that shows several examples (note, if you click-on the tabs above, you can see coins that were sold in their "shop", on their electronic auctions and on their fancy printed auctions ... there are definitely more "two dolphin" examples ... again, your "one-dolphin" is pretty awesome)

    http://www.cngcoins.com/Search.aspx...R_TYPE_ID_3=1&SEARCH_IN_CONTAINER_TYPE_ID_2=1


    => oh, and as per usual => you got me thinking about the seller's description (it seems that my example is probably an "obol" rather than a hemiobol?) ...
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    100% correct, TIF => Crystallization Rocks!!

    ;)
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Hey sisters and bros => please feel free to use this thread as an outlet to post your super-cool archaic "incuse coins" (we haven't had that theme for a while, eh?)

    here ya go ... I'll start ya out:

    Lydia AR Siglos (my "oldest" coin)

    liona.jpg
    lionb.jpg


    .... 560-510 BC
     
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  12. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Well OK, I'll play :). I was going to wait until this arrives but I can post it again later with better pics.

    RomaMonkeySm.jpg

    Steve, after our recent conversation I decided to find one of these for myself. A reasonable example came up for auction last weekend and the bidding was not insane. Yay!

    I wanted one for several reasons.

    a. It's a monkey. The only monkey on ancient Greek coins.
    b. It is now my smallest coin. At 0.26 gm it is 365 times lighter than my Carthage 15 shekel and at 5 mm is 9.6 times smaller in diameter than my largest Ptolemaic bronze.
    c. It's a freakin' monkey. No other reasons are required.

    The only way it could be better would be if it were a winged monkey, but those only exist in The Wizard of Oz. *

    Note to Doug Smith: I am 99% sure that in this sentence, using the past subjunctive "if it were" is correct.

    Edit: Whoops, this one isn't incuse. But it is ancient and cool so I knew you wouldn't mind.
     
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  13. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ;)


    ahahaha => just jokes, TIF => this is similar to the coin that you e-mailed me about => the good ol' monkey!! (it's gorgeous, congrats!!)

    ... I hope to score a cool monkey-coin in the future!! (well played, Sister Awesome ... well played!!)
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    HA! Good one, SteveO
     
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  15. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    I like this one much more :D
     
  16. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    ATTICA, AEGINA AR Stater
    OBV: Sea-turtle (T-backed); head in profile
    REV: Large square incuse with skew pattern
    480-457 BC
    11,96g, 20mm
    SNG Cop 507
    Ex CNG
    ATTICA, AEGINA.jpg
     
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thasos AR Drachm
    OBV: Naked satyr running right carrying struggling nymph
    REV: Quadripartite incluse Square
    463-411 BC
    3.40g, 15.9mm
    Sear 1748
    Thasos.jpg
     
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  18. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    AEOLIS, KYME AR Hemiobol
    OBV: Eagle's head left, KY to left (M beneath the head, nearly off flan)
    REV: Quadrapartite incuse square of mill-sail pattern
    450 BC
    .46g, 8mm
    SNG Cop 32
    AEOLIS, KYME.jpg
     
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  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    THRACE, ABDERA AR Tetrobol
    OBV: Griffin springing left
    REV: Magistrate's name around linear border, within which head of Hermes l., caduceus before; all in incuse square
    411-385 BC
    2.780g
    May 279
    Thrace, Abdera_opt.jpg
     
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  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    CARION ISLANDS: RHODES AR Hemidrachm
    OBV: Radiate head of Helios 3/4 facing
    REV: Rose with magistrates name above, caduceus left all within incuse square
    167-88 BC
    1.6g; 12mm
    Sear 5065v
    CARION ISLANDS RHODES.jpg
     
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  21. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    THRACE Cherronesos AR Hemidrachms
    1. OBV: Forepart of lion right, head turned back
    REV: Quadripartite incuse square, pellet and bunch of grapes in sunken quarters
    400-350 BC
    2.37g, 12mm
    BMC 11
    Thrace Cherronesos 2.jpg

    2. OBV: Forepart of lion right, head turned back
    REV: Quadripartite incuse square, a pellet in each of the two sunken quarters
    400-350 BC
    2.16g, 12mm
    BMC 8
    Thrace Cherronesos 3.jpg

    3. OBV: Forepart of lion right, head turned back
    REV: Quadripartite incuse square, dot VE monogram & lizard
    400-350 BC
    2.40g, 13mm
    SNGCop 830
    Thrace Cherronesos.jpg
     
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