1880-S Morgan PCGS undergraded?

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  1. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    What do you think this coin would grade?

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    BigTee44, Nov 1, 2013
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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    MS 64 PL
     
    Morgandude11, Nov 1, 2013
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  4. throwbackid

    throwbackid Well-Known Member

    I doubt it's a PL in an SF mint but maybe. My guess is MS64 no PL, would prob get a star designation in a NGC slab but if we are talkin PCGS that's my guess. To many bag marks for a 65 but its close IMO.
     
    throwbackid, Nov 2, 2013
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  5. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    I think you guys are mighty generous. I would say no better than a 63.
     
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  6. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Put me in at MS-63 , I'd have gone 64 but the hits on her cheek are a PFA .
     
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  7. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    63
     
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  8. harris498

    harris498 Accumulator

    I was actually going to say 62, but pinning MS grades on Morgans is not my forte.
    Nice luster but awful baggy on focal surfaces.
     
    harris498, Nov 2, 2013
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  9. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    PCGS Morgans typically seem to be in the 61 - 63 range.
     
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  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    The 80-S is pretty common in MS64, but I don't think this one would make the club......MS63.

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    cpm9ball, Nov 2, 2013
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  11. bkozak33

    bkozak33 Collector

    ms 61 pl
     
    bkozak33, Nov 2, 2013
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    " 1880-S Morgan PCGS undergraded? "

    You ask if it is under-graded. That implies to me that you think it is. OK, tell us why ?

    But before you do I want to ask you a question. Are you aware that the early date S mint Morgans, in particular the '79, '80, and '81 are graded to a much tougher standard than other dates/mints Morgans ?
     
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  13. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    I wasn't aware that those early dates were graded harder than other issues. The reason I thought it was undergraded was because it has very clean fields. I know it has a few hits on the cheek but when I compared it to my other slabbed Morgans that were 64s they looked similar.

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  14. DUNK 2

    DUNK 2 Well-Known Member

    For those who got it right. . . What do we win?:cool:
     
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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yup, they are. That's why it only got a 63.
     
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  16. BigTee44

    BigTee44 Well-Known Member

    No one got it right :)

    Ms63 isn't Ms63PL
     
    BigTee44, Nov 2, 2013
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  17. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I got it right . :) Then again I didn't . lol
     
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  18. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Why's that Doug , I don't collect Morgans .
     
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  19. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I said MS 64 PL. If it were not in a "rattler," I would bet that it would have graded 64 PL at a later juncture.
     
    Morgandude11, Nov 2, 2013
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  20. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    +1

    it's a pretty coin. I hope to own a PL /DMPL someday.
     
    geekpryde, Nov 2, 2013
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Because there is a rule in grading that the grade of a coin is determined by the known characteristics for that specific date/mint. This rule applies to all coins of all denominations.

    In other words, the S mint Morgans that I mentioned above are known for being especially well struck, having exceptional luster, and exceptional eye appeal. So when grading them stricter standards are applied.

    Or as an example of the other end of the spectrum, some of O mint Morgans are known for being weakly struck, having subdued luster, and poor eye appeal. So when grading them looser standards are applied.
     
    GDJMSP, Nov 3, 2013
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