Hey, i was wondering if any of you guys have any thoughts on these two dollars. They look genuine but perhaps cleaned. Do they match up to the known varieties? I found a link of an older cointalk post (posted below). The 1795 Draped Bust $1 coin that is pictured halfway down on the first page has the 2 exact same contact marks on the neck below the chin. On the third page at the top one person comments that these 2 contact marks on the neck are similar to a replica coin on ebay. http://www.cointalk.com/t35169/ Thanks
I always get suspicious when I see coins with the design detail, such as the bust and eagle detail worn clean away, yet the leaves and lettering are that of an UA coin. Not to mention that color looks a bit off to me. Guy
the color is wrong for this coin, it looks fake to me at least and (obviously)doesn't look silver. I would pass. Giving me the question, I wonder why it isnt graded? I wonder?(lol)
On extremely rare coins and high grades... buy either certified or from a trusted ANA seller and make sure you can inspect them in-hand. The stars on the draped bust coin are too large and thick. It's fake IMO. The flowing hair shows incorrect wear for the type. No central detail yet clear bold lettering and denticles. Again, fake, IMO.
The die gouges at the left-most stars and die lumps between "B" and "E" on the Draped are consistent with known die varieties. Can't say the same for the Flowing hair. I believe both coins are genuine, but I would proceed with caution. If they are genuine, they've definitely been cleaned.
That's good. If the edges were reeded they would be fake. But lettered edges do not necessarily mean they are genuine. They do not look genuine to me from your photos.
The reverse of the flowing hair dollar almost looks like it has a rim as if it was struck in a collar. I'm no expert with these but my understanding is that is not normal.
The flowing hair example has a really ugly huge spot on the obverse. I am not familar enough with these to say fake or not. Being raw is fishy on coins like these worth thousands if real even when cleaned. I'd pass unless very cheap....but if they are really cheap they are likely fake.
that is what I thought you meant, but I 'm not great with these and thought UA might mean something I was unaware of. Thanks for the response and confirming it as a typo error. stuff like this has to be slabbed for me. !
I would need a slab on stuff like this . I might buy a well worn 1794 cent for $100 raw, but not a dollar for thousands of dollars.
As I pointed out on another forum where you asked the same question the draped bust is a fake made from what I call the Vampire hub. the counterfeiters made an undated hub, probably from a genuine coin, that has those two "fang puncture marks" on the neck. then they made a bunch of dies from this hub and individually dated them with different dates. I have seen every date from 1795 to 1804 made using this same hub. There are other diagnostic features on this hub as well. A few of them are pointed out by igradeMS70, and they DO occur on a genuine 1795 die variety. But when you see those same features,and the vampire marks on coins dated 1796, 1797, 1798 etc you know those are fakes, so one dated 1795 with those die variety features but ALSO with the vampire marks then it is almost certainly fake as well.
Please help me in evaluating the authenticity of my 1795 bust dollar coin. any help is very much appreciated. Link: http://www.cointalk.com/threads/1795-bust-dollar-coin-authentic-or-doubtful-need-help.238099/
