will you look at my denga?

i picked this up recently, and am out of my element here with old but modern russian coins...a type i've nevertheless developed a "thing" for. the seller listed this as a "denga", or 1/2 kopek, but i think it is a 2 kopek coin (or maybe 1 kopek?). it is 17.1 g and 32 mm.









has the neat "waffle" edge, referred to as an "X" edge i guess.







also neat that it is a 1758 (whatever it is) that appears to be struck on a 1756 1 kopek coin like this one.












you can see the date here and some of the wings (can also see some "wingage" on the reverse).







anyway, what is it? and can you tell where it was minted? ( i don't see mint marks)

 

Log in or Sign up to hide this ad.

According to the Bitkin catalogue the 1756 1 Kopeck, and the 1758 2 Kopeck both weighed 20.48 gr. The sizes were 32 and 31 mm.
No mintletters are indicated.

 

Well, OK, but usually that's third date stuff.

St. George slaying a dragon? Easy to see why you have a coin crush! Nifty edge too.

 

My guess would be it's a 2/1 (overstrike) Kopek. That would make sense if they were short on metal and decided to redenominate the coinage.

 

Dang you got a big Denga! 32 mm !

 

I think I have Denga envy

 

It's a 2 kopek overstruck over 1 kopek. Pretty common as the value of copper changed over the time of history.

I've made a page list full of various Russian ovestruck coins.

http://gxseries.com/numis/rus_imperial/overstrike/rus_overstruck.htm

 

That is a great site, gx. Bravo!

 

VERY nice gxs...wish I would have found that sooner.

 

Thanks John Anthony and chrsmat71 - took me a long time to complete that page but I guess it was well worth it.

Chrsmat71 - you might want to have a closer look at the coin to see if there is another layer under it. It could be overstruck on 1725 - 1730 5 kopek coin to start off with.

Once you get on this overstrike idea, you can get hooked on this very very quickly.

 

What a cool lookin' coin Chris, you even get a dragon with it...

 

I have to admit liking 18th century russian coinage some as well. It started with Frank Robinson having a large lot of five kopecks in vf I bought about twenty of. Since then I picked up some other denominations as well as some siberian issues of the period. Very interesting coinage.

 

medoraman - have you taken a good look of what you have with those 5 kopek coins? Would be nice if you can showcase them some day. There are a couple of mintmarks which are more difficult - TM and CM. C||b could be another one as well. There are some scarcer overstrikes as well and you'll never know if you have one of those.

 

I didn't know that we were allowed to just whip-out our dengas!!?

Oh well, since it's already out => that's a purdy denga you got there, mister!! (congrats)

 

That's what she... (oh never mind...)

 

I believe they are all Ekaterinaburg,(sp?). Frank had a large hoard of F-VF+ coins, but I think he sold out of the hundreds he had in a week or so. I know once I got these in the mail, I tried to buy any he had left and they were gone. I think I paid around $8 each for them.

I would post photos of them, but:

1. I truly suck at photos
2. I do not know which box they are in in the SDB actually. They are in there somewhere.

 

here's my 5 kopek,the common EM mint (the E word Ican' spell ), i don't think it's overstruck.

 

Very nice one. Impressive.

 

Those are super coins, Chris. I can certainly see the appeal.

 

That 1795 5 kopek is in a very nice condition. Would be worth more than 8 dollars without a doubt.

In general most of the 5 kopek coins struck from 1763 to 1766 are overstruck as well as 1788 and 1793. These are the more common ones. However there are some years that are significantly scarcer and will command a much higher price.

Also another year to note is 1779 I believe - could be very very mistaken.. There is a transitional change of the eagle design and if you happen to have this, this can be worth a fair amount. I don't specialize in this however. You might want to check this page out: http://www.sigistenz.com/