I know there are a couple experts on these. I'm pretty sure they have enough "detail" to be identified. Thanks again.
They are both 1794's the first one is a later one S-46 - 67 and the second is an early one S-21 - 45. there is probably enough detail to attribute them, definitely on the second one, but I am just passing through right now. Maybe later.
I'm looking at the first one right now and comparing it to the Red Book 67th edition (2014). It appears to be in the 1793-1795 range, probably a 1794 as shown on page 99. The second is probably a 1795, shown on the same page. Just my thoughts - Condor probably knows better...