I can't help with the first coin, but the second coin looks like 500 Lira/Lire, but i'm guessing its a fake or a replica due to having no date. Someone that knows more than I will be by soon. BTW, you are very important here.
Thank You, I will check for the date on the side on the Lire. Of the first 2 old coins (one on the right), I found a picture of one similar.. something Titus 74AD... still searching.