lincoln wheat cent 1947s looks like image of lincoln on reverse (error?)

Maybe if two'' master die's'' collided but not two''working die's''

 

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Keep in mind, that is actually how clashed dies occur...they clash together. There is no doubt as to how clashed dies really occur. Any research on your part should reveal good explanations as to how they occur.
That being said, the coin posted is not a clashed die as already stated. It is progressive-indirect design transfer, which is different than a die clash.

 

or like i said before somehow a master die and a working die were missmatched in the coining press for some reason..

 

What difference would it make if a master die were out in place of a working die in terms of clashes? Master dies are incuse just like working dies.

 

Well im talking about the die's (that have the positive imagei.e MASTER DIE"S)that they use to press the incuse image into the working die's so they can make more then one working die and they use those make coins with do you think an artist just carves out multiple working dies by hand or something?

 

Master dies are incuse. The process goes (I believe)
-Design-->master hub-->master die-->working hub-->working die

In any event, if one actually made it into the coining chamber, the normal strike it would leave on a coin would be mirrored (think about it...) I don't get what's so hard to believe about a die clash.

 

Jral1 these guys are telling you correctly about clashed dies . I consider my self somewhat knowledgeable when it comes to clashed die coins because they are the favorite part of my collection. my most rare and my favorite clashed die coins are the 2005 peeing bison coins. the dies that struck these awesome coins left a imprint of the nose and eye from the obverse side die on the reverse side directly in place to make the bison look like he is peeing. I also own a scarce counter struck nickel where the dies clashed twice or more over time and transferred letters from one die to the other die. I have spent many years studying the clashed die coins and find them very interesting. what you are missing is the fact that the deep recessed areas of the die is not the part that clashes , it is the top edges of the recesses that clash together when a planchet is not between the dies.

 

Ok I think I thought the dies were more incuse then they really are and some of the die clash pictures just look like to much of the design was tranfered from one negative to another which would make me think the dies would be damaged to much to continue striking coins without jamming or something. I guess some of the fakes maybe had me thinking that it was impossible for that to happen even if the die's did clash. so i geuss i get it now. I think Non_cents name influenced my skeptical attitude and there is alot of nonsense in the field of error coin collecting. sorry!

 

non_cents,
You are arguing with a troll.....

 

Doesn't mean I can't teach other people at the same time...

 

I made you belive I was right for a second though

 

That is the problem in a nutshell. people come here to learn about coins and we have a troll like you giving out BAD information. You have been warned about this in another thread and had posts removed. please stop....

 

Back to PIDT, could the thermal effect of modern high speed coining machines cause this to happen . Would the heat buildup after a long run in a high speed coining machine cause the coin to get hot enough to shrink a bit when it cools causing the oval/cresent that you see in the field of some coins. Also sometimes mimicking the bust or feature of the opposite side of the coin when it cools causing indirect design transfer.As a second way this effect could happen. do they coin (COOL)the machines or do they just wait to see smoke. Or is heat not even a factor at all in the process!

 

Trollin for info I guess...

 

Some of the theories......

The working hub and the working die have indexing key ways that prevent the two from mating incorrectly, and according to Margolis and Weinberg, the indexing is changed each year to prevent a mix up from occurring in other years

 

Are they of value? I have a 47s that has it.wish I could post a pic.

 

Wisperinjon, there was 6 years between my post in 2013 and yours, so probably few will see this other than in the 'new post' index. It is better to start a new thread as more people tend to see it. Jim