"Since I am single and watching football nobody else was around. " YOU'VE GOT PROBLEMS? I HAVE TO WATCH THE GIANTS TONIGHT! Sorry about that, I couldn't help it.
Maybe PCGS should use the designation of PF-95 and PF-98 for Pre-Strike Coins as sort of a wish list grade on the slab for us poor old Collectors that want the ultimate perfect Proof coin. This is reasonable considering that they will slab the 10,000th coin struck by a Die with the designation of a "First Strike" but won't grade and slab many MS-67/PF-67 coins with minor damage! The Other, Other Frank
LOL!!! But then again - Phil Simms played football at the high school 5 minutes from my house. I probably saw him play and did not realize it.
I may be late on this, but those are "no grade descriptions". I've had a couple of these too (PR91 and PR94). No Grade Description 90 Not Genuine 91 Artificial Color 92 Cleaning 93 Planchet Flaw 94 Altered Surfaces 95 Scratch / Rim Dent 96 Refund - No Service 97 Environmental Damage 98 Damage 99 PVC
That must be what pcgs is talking about with my submission. Sounds like another way of porking me for m cash money, with there some what stupid standerds. I mean really some of the standerds makes sence but there others like that one where they will not slab a coin for a light scratch on a proof thats over a 150 years old. Its just dumb. Its ok though. im pretty much all done with the stuff that i conciderd sending to those blow wholes there at pcgs. Also has anyone ever called them. EACH AND EVERY TIME I CALL the same guy picks up the phone there. 6 times over a year same fella with the same whiny sounding additude. Acting almost like why are you calling. Not that its a issue, bt the nicest people to me on the phone was ANACS. NGC wasnt to bad, SEGS forget it they are 50/50. Actaully NTC wasnt bad either. Basicaly PCGS are rude on the phone. lol but thats just IMO. Im sre im not the nicest person on the phone concidering im about as frindly as a stump on the phone or at least i seem that way.
They sure did get body bagged 11 out of 20. They porked me for over 333 bucks. I dont know if i should laugh about it or what?
This is what gets me----if people DON'T want an expert thoughts on their coins WHY send them in?....no one ever thinks that their two eyes might have missed something that 5 graders see?.... Speedy
We should all know that this is coming. When I was a kid there was only G,F,Unc and Proof. Now we have tons of grades with mystery numbers that no one is really sure of. Eventually a grading company will be using AU63.48, EEF27.62 (Extra Extra Fine), ABTF12.22 (Almost Better Than Fine) or how about MS99.99999999999999999+?
Yup. Some already do. Okay, they're not in the top 3 or 4 TPGs, but I was checking out a slabbed coin that graded MS65.5 the other day.
How about a "Somewhere Around Good" Grade which is anywhere from AG-3 to VG-10 and a Coin Dealer could price it on the high end and still be in the Ball Park???!!! :goofer: The Other, Other Frank
THere thoughts are fine. but lossing 333 bucks isnt. I mean if anything they should at least not charge a person full price for the ones they feel dont make the cut. Its just seems so insulting to do to a person after they pay for a membership just to send coins to them and they send them back unslabbed with statments like. damage/tooling, NONE had ad as for these rim dents im actaully 100% sure none of the coins i sent had ANY dents I ONLY own 3 coins with rim dents 2 morgans and a 1799. Again like the last time a made a fuss enought to post about it. there is indeed more to this story. That i will unvale once i have the coins in hand. But i will tell you this, ALL THE COINS I sent them either came from another TPGS slab or I cleaned my self. In fact the ones they slabbed WHERE CLEANED by me the day i packed them to send, those where are the 9 that actaully got slabbed. Call me crazy or call me a person that want the truth.
Nathan - did you not know that they would charge you the fees even if the coins were body bagged before you sent them in ? I mean, I can understand your not liking it - but didn't you know it beforehand ? Now please understand, I am no great fan of PCGS - I think everybody knows that - and I am not defending them in any way. And I will be the first to stand in line and scream from the rooftops that they are in my opinion the most inconsistent grading company there is. But when someone submits a coin to be graded, they should know before they send them whether or not the coin stands a chance of being body bagged. And if they don't know, then they need to study more until they do. Also, you say that you cleaned coins yourself and submitted them and those coins were slabbed. Can you be more specific for us please - exactly how did you clean those coins ? And when you can, will you please post some pics of all the coins. It would go a long way to helping everyone learn which coins might be body bagged and why they are.
GDJMSP Yes, I did know that they will charge you even if they don't slab your coins. I was STATING that it just seems like such a slap I the face to charge someone full price of the service for body bagging them. I know they get paid for there time and all that. But HONESTLY its a REAL SLAP IN THE FACE. As for pictures, Once the coins are actually in my hand I will be more then happy to try and scan a few of the one that got bodybagged. Again Yes I knew about there scheming ways and yes I know that they for the most part or full of crap. I can tell you write now. I have submitted coins to them in the past cleaned in many ways. from dip to just dish soap & water. This last time I used 90% Rubbing alcohle,KNOWING that there was a chance that all 20 coins I sent could get marked as cleaned because I cleaned them all the ones I sent this time that way, and out of those 20 only 2 got hit with cleaned. I also showed these to a local dealer before I sent them just to get his opinion on them ad he said they all seemed to be AU and up. Also that NOT ONE COIN LOOKED CLEANED, That was 2 days before I sent them. Now I don't know about you but technically alcohol is used in many cleaners.
That's why I asked Nathan. It is well known that the TPGs will slab cleaned coins, they do it every day. But it is the method of cleaning that matters - as long as they are not harshly cleaned, they will be slabbed. It is also well known that PCGS will return a coin body bagged, for various reasons, and then the next time the very same coin is submitted they will slab it. That's where a large part of the inconsistency comes into play. And that is why I would very much like to see the pics of the coins. Some coins deserve to be body bagged, others do not.
Nathan, you said you got a PR95 and PR98, right? Those are NOT for cleaning. 95 is for a scratch and/or rim dent. 98 is a generic damage code. PR92 is for cleaning. To your point about the fees, I agree. I understand that they need the money to cover their time. They inspect your coins whether they get bodybagged or slabbed. However, they get put into a plastic 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 and sent back. They don't go to the slabbing room. They don't get encased in plastic with a label. They don't get a certification number. I always felt they should give you some kind of discount or partial voucher for the BBs. Even getting a voucher for $5 off my next submission would make me happy. To GDJMSP's point, I've read stories about people playing the re-submission game. The same coin goes back and forth several times. The grades or bodybag results seem to change too often.
Nevst thanks for you reply but i already found out what the PR codes mean. Thank for writing back in anycase. The TPGS like PCGS really shold take better care of US the returning submiter. Just based on the fact that you have to pay for for a member ship alone. I am sure you agree. DOW WITH THE EVIL TPGS's lol. I wish there was reall something that WE the coin collectors could really do. I mean as much as its nice to talk about. They will never change anything less people stand up ans say. THATS ENOUGH. I am allmost sure that PCGS has made hondreds of thousands of dollars pulling this full price for close to nothing GIMMIC. I wish that people would pull a Boston teaparty on them. Hell if it was as easy as just every one that collects just writing them say ing HEY> WE ARE NOT SENDING ANY MORE COINS TO YOU UNTILL YOU CHANGE THIS. PCGS would dropabumpo in there pants. You all know its true. Why do you think they sue people that talk baddly about them. So they don't have to deal with all of us trning around with a thoght of SAYING STOP. They are concidered to be amongest the top of the coin slabbng food chain. Well I say cut the head off the chicken. and watch it rn around for a minute.
To the best of my knowledge PCGS has never sued anybody for talking badly about them. They do however ban them from their coin forum for doing so. Never could figure why they never banned me though As for this comment - The close to nothing part is the putting the coin in the slab. All of the work and the vast majority of the expense is in the grading, the authentication and/or the indentifying of any problems that may exist. For this reason I have always agreed that the TPGs should be paid full price, even if the coin is body bagged. But that is my opinion and I realize that many disagree with it. But it is hard to deny the logic of it. I do however agree with you, the only way to change it would be for collectors and submitters to band together and stop using them. You've already got me on your side for that 9not that it will help much) - I've never submitted a single coin, to anyonce. It's too easy to buy them already slabbed thus removing the problem entirely.
