Modern Kennedy Halves: not all are created equally...or are they?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by gbroke, Sep 27, 2013.

  1. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I recently picked up a lot of modern Kennedy's.
    I really don't know how these stack up compared to the average Kennedy half leaving the mint since I haven't had much experience with them.
    However, I thought I would share some that really seem to stand out.
    Blazing luster, great tones and overall extremely clean, making them very eye appealing.

    I'm curious as to what Kennedy collectors think about these. Standard fair or what?

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  3. Great batch of coins gbroke!
     
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  4. Coinman1974

    Coinman1974 Research, Research, Research

    Very nice Kennedy's, and some Nice toning too.
     
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  5. onecenter

    onecenter Member

    Lovely coins! Every one is a keeper!
     
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  6. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Coins look very nice, but the fingerprints on a few kinda bug me. Correct me if I'm wrong about what I'm seeing. I have a roll of 1964 in the MS63 range, and most of those have fingerprints too.
     
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  7. enochian

    enochian silver eater

    alot of bu kennedys i have seen are full of bag/reed marks
     
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  8. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Very nice.

    Most appear to be mint set coins and select examples at that.

    With Kennedys the finest examples are clean at the top of the shield as some of theseappear to be.
     
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  9. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I'd say that these are great for coins from the 90's...seems to be easier to find them from the 80's and back in good shape, but I'd "keep" yours if I came across them...
     
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  10. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    You are definetly right, the first couple appear to have been man handled. I actually didn't notice the prints until I saw the image.
    I also believe that fingerprints don't necessarily detract from the grade. Maybe someone can correct/educate me on that.

    Thanks for the info. Are the mint set coins handled any differently at the mint?
     
  11. stldanceartist

    stldanceartist Minister of Silly Walks

    I also feel like the coins in the mint sets still have lots of bag marks and scuffs on them. Even the Mint Roll NIFC coins I have are marked up...but yours are pretty clean. And I'm willing to bet you got them for a song...good purchase!
     
  12. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    "Everything" is different with mint set coins. Dies are changed frequently so they're always new and the coins are struck more slowly and under higher pressure. Many of the planchets are polished and many of the dies are basined. Some dies recieve other treatment like frosting. All mint set coins are washed and dried.

    But, they aren't necessarily superior to regular issue strikes and some are just mangled in the process. Like 99% of the '80-D mint set half dollars have shallow scrapes.

    As a rule if you want a Gem modern looking in mint sets is like shooting fish in a barrel while finding them in the wild can be impossible. About 2% of mint set coins are Gem and about .05% of regular issues are Gem. The problem is that many of these coins are almost impossible to find in rolls because people didn't save clad and nickel availability is spotty. Even cents aren't extremely common for all dates.
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Small disagreement, the coins aren't, but their planchets are.
     
  14. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    My understanding is that all planchets are processed through a bath and dried; not just those bound for mint sets.
     
  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    My comment--first two have fingerprints. The others are strong gem condition, and very high-end Kennedys, with lovely toning. I would think they are definitely superior coins, clad or Silver--that isn't an issue in the beauty of the coin. These are so far above average MS that they are at the upper end of Kennedy eye appeal. :)
     
  16. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Perhaps I should have said that so far as I know all mint set coins are washed and dried. The information on mint set coins and packaging is very hard to come by. Tom Delorey reported that the coins are washed in a cleaning solution and then dried in a sort of cement mixer with crushed corn cobs. There is some doubt that this necessarily applies to all mint set coins and 1968 cents usually tarnish which might indicate they weren't cleaned.

    If you poke through a bag of new coins your hands (fingers) will turn black. This doesn't happen with mint set coins.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Think for a minute Sam, if that were true then all of the coins would be covered with hairlines and contact marks. But since they are not ................
     
  18. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    The vast majority of mint set coins are marked. Some are severely marked and most are lightly marked but better than 98% have marks. Most marks appear to be from collisions but there are also scrapes and dings.

    Only about 2% of mint set coins are Gem. But this is far better than coins made for circulation and the Gems made for circulation are far less likely to have good strikes from new dies. Finding Gems in mint sets is like shooting fish in a barrel but there's still a lot of "water" even in the barrel.
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'm well aware of that, I collected original mint sets for decades. And finding gem examples can indeed be difficult. But the coins having some marks is a long, long way from what they would have if they first went through a washing process and then were put into tumbling drum filled with crushed corn cobs and other coins to dry them.

    If that were actually done, then all of the mint set coins would be literally covered, everywhere, with contact marks and hairlines. And most traces of luster would be virtually destroyed.

    So as I said above, given that that is not true, then there is no way I can believe that actually happens. We shall have to agree to disagree.
     
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