Ok, I know what a pedigree is. Thing is, how would one get one? Does it cost? Do you have to have a certain dollar amount of coins in your collection? My meager british collection is by no means worthy of a pedigree, but if I build up a collection over the years, and say 30 years from now, I have a huge collection. Curious on how the process works.
You need to be acknowledged by the coin community as having possession of one of the top sets for your specialty. It's highly unlikely you'll have a pedigree set even 60 years from now. This isn't a slight against you. It's an educated and qualified statement that would apply to nearly all collections.
IIRC, you can get custom inserts with a pedigree of your choice on them from either NGC or PCGS if you certify enough coins, but if they say "The Joe Blow Collection" who's gonna care? Pedigrees trace coins back to great collections. Become a somebody, then your coins will have a pedigree worth mentioning.
If you have a really large number of coins to be certified at one time then you can negotiate a pedigree name on the insert. However, this must be in the thousands of coins (typically) at one time and the coins must have a certain level of quality. Additionally, if you have one of the top five registry sets for a traditional series then the coins may all be regraded with the pedigree added. Lastly, become historically important in the hobby-industry and a pedigree will follow.
Wasn't this discussed before, possibly when you joined the registry and were counting down the coins to complete your CBH set? We all know how that serious collection turned out, so I wouldn't think much about how many British coins you'll have sometime down the road, much less worry about a pedigree.
Oh come on, BB4Cs...... he could turn out to be a somebody in this hobby with a serious collection worth putting a 'Pedigree' on....... Now, will it be called the Tim Godsil collection, the detecto collection, or something else????? Who's to know until it happens???
I think in order to have your pedigree listed at PCGS your coins have to be a Top 5 set in one of the Registries.
I'm going to be just a bit pedantic -- but, the more proper word is "provenance". Pedigree generally refers to animal lineage or genealogical descent. Honestly, I think all the extra crap on the label is just nonsense. My only question on the matter before has been on the NGC forum -- asking if I sent in a few coins with worthless "Collection" attributes, if they would reholder the coins and remove the extra text. To my delight, they will happily remove said text.
... and that is why some people use it in numismatic contexts too. Just one example: http://www.pcgs.com/News/Pedigrees-Why-Theyre-Important Pedigrees can also be important when it comes to "proving" that an old coin (mostly ancient, basically anything >100 yrs) was purchased properly and not from some shady source. Christian
Given that the information displayed in the holder refers to a specific collection, I think pedigree is more appropriate than provenance. Pedigree refers to importance and place in history. Provenance refers to the chain of custody. At least, that's how the two terms are utilized with respect to collectibles, in my experience.
Right or wrong, PCGS and NGC both use the term Pedigree in this service. From what I have heard, NGC and PCGS will happily remove the text for a $10 reholder fee.
PCGS - http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/benefits.html NGC - http://www.ngccoin.com/about/consumer_awareness.aspx You might want to pay particular attention to this sentence - "We provide this option to allow collectors to have their names or the names of their collections to appear on the NGC label." More from NGC - http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?NewsletterNewsArticleID=306 Again, you might want to pay attention to this sentence - "Examples of names that may be included on the label alone are NGC Registry Set names, personalizations (such as the name of a relative or your hometown) and pedigrees of collections that are not of long-term significance to numismatics." Bottom line, if you want anybody can have their own pedigree on NGC slab labels. But as Noodle asked above - who will care ?
I almost forgot to mention something really cool that we discovered--> I believe this 1837 10C from Eliasberg's registry set is originally from Edouard Frossard's New Jersey Collection sales, March 8-9, 1898; J.M. Clapp, Clapp estate, 1942 to Louis Eliasberg, Sr.; Louis Eliasberg Sale, May 20-22, 1996, Bowers and Merena. Apparently, this no stars provenance goes back to 1898.
If you pay enough money, you can get your name printed just about anywhee. My advice to the OP is to create your own inserts and save your money for coins and other things.
Maybe it matters for the mass produced American coins. ex Kirk Davis. Sear 2466 but also Wallace 44 and, indeed, from the Wallace collection. Catalogued as Wallace 44. Euboia ("good cows") Eretria, 357-267 BCE (long run), AR (that means silver) Drachm. 3.0 grams as sold, but tested on scientific equipment later to 3.0222 grams. ... ain't goin' nowheres 'till I go off-planet....
