Guess the grade...

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by torontokuba, Sep 17, 2013.

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What grade is this 1896 Canadian cent?

  1. VG-8

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  2. F-12

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  3. VF-20

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  4. VF-30

    30.0%
  5. EF-40

    20.0%
  6. XF-45

    10.0%
  7. AU-50

    30.0%
  8. AU-55

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  9. DAMAGED/CLEANED

    10.0%
  1. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    Reputable TPGS...

    Canada 1 cent 1896

    The photos are as good as they're going to get, there is no rim damage, just the light reflecting off the plastic. Also, the two long scratches and pieces of lint are on the plastic, not on the coin.:)

    Canada Cent 1896.jpg Canada Cent 1896-2.jpg
     
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  3. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    I have two that are AU55 and this one is NEARLY there. I'm thinking AU50.
     
  4. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    I agree , AU-50 to 53 . Nice Vicky .
     
  5. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I think it is XF-45 to AU-50.
     
  6. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I voted XF45 yesterday (I wanted to vote EF45). :)
     
  7. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    This is a pretty conservative grading service, but, it doesn't mean they are right with their grade. I'll give it a bit more time before revealing their opinion. Maybe someone else wants to chime in?

    When I first saw the grade, the photos, the price, I was certain it was incorrectly graded. Taking photos through two layers of plastic with air bubbles in between is a real pain. That is the problem with this type of grading package. Here is the flip side...

    1896Cent021.jpg
     
  8. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    ICCS flip...

    I'd like to change to XF-40 to XF-45, as I thought it was in an NGC slab (where I would expect looser grading)
     
  9. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    In light of the ICCS "slab" I'd go EF-45 .
     
  10. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    I myself think the coin is about EF-40, but, that's not what ICCS gave it...;)
     
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  11. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Now I'm thinking VF-35 for ICCS . Though it could be higher . Dang , I started with an AU-50 . LOL
     
  12. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    It's a grading avalanche caused by ICCS. That pretty much sums up how subjective grading really is.
     
  13. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    I graded this vf30, because it looked like it had rim damage, but after reading it was the light in the pic. i would have changed it to xf40, it still has most of the ware on the bust which matters the most..JMHO..;)
     
  14. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    Yeah, in an ICCS holder, this would go into the XF range - 40?
     
  15. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    Well, what can I say, I picked it up for $6, shipping included ($4 + $2 shipping). The grade makes me wonder, why? I see almost no flaws with the coin, except for the wear on the effigy. The discolorations or shade variations on the coin photos above are the cause of the two layers of plastic and air pockets between them. The rest of the flaws in the photos (2 scratches and missing rim/edge), I've explained in an earlier post. There are no comments attached to the grading, that would undermine the appearance of the coin. You guys are further proof that this ICCS grade is just way too conservative...

    1896Cent022.jpg
     
  16. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    F-12? Really? What happens when the coin actually has some wear on it?
     
  17. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    That's banana's - you bought a much higher grade than the holder indicates.
     
  18. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I agree that the ICCS grade is conservative. I would probably keep it in the ICCS slab. It is a great grading conversation piece.
     
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  19. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    BTW, I was going to guess EF40 but the choice for 45 was listed as XF45 instead of EF45. I thought perhaps "XF" was a clue so I took a stab at 45. ;)

    Nobody guessed 8, 12 or 20. Thanks for the thread.
     
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  20. torontokuba

    torontokuba Thread Crapper & Hijacker, TP please.

    I just copied the first grades I saw. Personally, I don't distinguish between EF and XF. That's like splitting hairs, especially since some sources show the two grades overlapping. I also can't remember which TPGS uses which terminology.:(

    http://coins.about.com/od/coingrading/f/sheldon_scale.htm

    Ok, I'll curb my excitement...

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  21. kolyan760

    kolyan760 Well-Known Member

    go with NGC or PCGS NEXT TIME
     
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