1999 Rim-restricted Design Duplication

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  1. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    this is a 1999 cent i found i looked it up and it appears to be rare.
    what make this even more rare is the fact that there are on a few
    known for 1994 and 0ne for 2004 but this is a 1999 and it is not
    listed also it on the reverse side of the cent so the letters on the rim
    are incuse.

    heres the link: http://error-ref.com/Rim-restricted_Design_Duplication.html
     

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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I think it's just a damaged rim...
     
  4. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    NO! I wish I can take better pictures because those are parts of
    letters You can clearly see that through the loupe. no disrespect
    but I know what i have here for sure.
     
  5. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    Im waiting on a new camera lens once I get it I will be
    taking some real good shots of this cent.
     
  6. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I can actually almost 100% assure you it's not what you think it is. Why? Rim-restricted design duplication leaves a set of RAISED elements, yours are incuse.
     
  7. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    it wouldnt be raised on the reverse side it would be incuse.
    trust me its not pmd you can clearly see those are parts of
    letters on the rim. if its not Rim-restricted design duplication
    then what is it?
     
  8. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    In the link you provided, read that
    The reverse side is the anvil die, so I don't believe that mechanical doubling rim restricted design duplication can happen on the reverse. I may be wrong on that fact, though when I look at your pictures, I still only see damage...
     
  9. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member


    I dont know how You only see damage? You can see the sharpness
    in the parts of the letters on the rim like I said its also the camera
    I will repost some pictures soon as I get my new lens and we can continue with this
    discussion. cool?
     
  10. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    The letters are incuse and they don't correspond to the nearby letters. Therefore they are light contact marks from another cent.

    Actually, there is one circumstance in which one-sided, rim-restricted design duplication CAN appear on the face struck by the anvil die. All it requires is for a newly-struck coin to stick to a bouncing hammer die that shifts to one side. It then lands lightly on the anvil die which is simultaneously rising up through the collar in preparation for coin ejection. I was recently sent an example of RRDD that probably owes its existence to this cause. I'll be writing it up for Coin World.
     
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  11. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    so is this a mint error? and when You post your article please
    feel free to put the link in my inbox.
     
  12. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    If I understand Mike's comment correctly, he is saying that another coin contacted this coin after being struck, meaning that it is damage and not a mint error.
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    My understanding also.
     
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  14. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Sorry I wasn't clear enough. We're dealing with post-strike damage here.
     
  15. tommy cent

    tommy cent Active Member

    is there something good I can read or an article You might have wrote about
    post strike damage? also is the mint open to the public where someone gives You a
    tour and shows You the minting process?
     
  16. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    the coin you have is exactly like folks are saying it is and anyone can easily do this by putting a coin on top of another one and tapping it lightly with a hammer. this is why the letters are backwards and incuse instead of being raised. this one is so lightly done it may have gotten banged into another one while in a coin bag.
     
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  17. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Mike I have a question for you. I have quite a few of the presidental dollars that came from the same rolls with a design of the bottom of miss Liberty's gown on the coins rim. Would this possibly be called RimRestricted DesignDuplication ? I sold some to another error expert and he was supposed to let me know what caused this and he never did contact me. I thought if may be ejection doubling but got to thinking this would take too much pressure for the ejector.
     
  18. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Yes, Rascal, your Presidential dollar does have one-sided, rim-restricted design dupliction -- a form of machine doubling. It occurs on Presidential dollars from Washington to Madison, but is much more common among the first few presidents. Evidently the Mint fixed whatever was causing the problem. This form of machine doubling also occurs on a few proof Presidential dollars. The reason it occurs on the reverse face is because the reverse die was acting as the hammer die.
     
  19. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Thanks Mike for the information.
     
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