Hello everyone, especially experts. I just received a couple of fake quarters. The Washington Quarter is fake for obvious reasons, weight 6.79g, diameter 24mm, colour, detail, evidence of being poured, etc. The Seated Liberty Quarter was purchased as fake, but, I would like to get some help with the solid reasons as to why it is a fake. Thickness does not look off, diameter 24mm, considering it is worn, pitted, chunks missing, edge filed and so on, the weight of 6.08g does not surprise me. I have warmed it up in my hand, touched it to ice and it cools of almost instantly. Took it away from the ice, warms up in my hand almost instantly. Seems to have that silver ping sound. Is the porosity and pitting, enough to determine that it is a fake? Anyone see something more? Scans attached for your consideration. Thanks for taking the time.
That washington is so bad a fake as to be somewhat interesting. They couldn't have been trying to fool anyone or any machine. I almost think it was a cheesy part of some novelty item. The SL is hard to tell in that shape. I will say, though, that absent wear down to ag levels its hard to remove that much weight from a coin without corrosion. Weights are more accurate than you think until you get down to the "what the heck was this coin?" level.
Sorry, forgot to mention, neither coin is attracted to a magnet. The SL slides off like it was on a waterslide.
Just to clarify, the weight should be 6.22g, right? It is currently 6.08g. The edge has been filed in a couple of spots with plenty of pitting and gouges. Is it really that hard to lose 0.14g or 0.00493835 oz.? http://www.usacoinbook.com/coins/quarters/seated-liberty/
It can. I was simply talking generically about weights sir. Many people dismiss underweights because of circulation, but they are closer than you think until it truly gets down to the "slick" level. Of course damage or corrosion, (commonly from burial), can also achieve the same effect. Just more of a general comment.
Thank you for the input. In this case, I'd much rather have a fake, than a real coin that is just beat to heck.
I'm working on a collection of fake peace dollars. Nothing wrong with a fun forgery so long as everyone knows it. Sent from my SHV-E300K using Tapatalk 4
True. Most ancient collectors have various degrees of fakes in their collection, from fakes made to fool shopkeepers in antiquity, to renaissance copies of coins, to modern forgeries. Its just part of the hobby, and can be a fun part. As long as everyone labels eevrything appropriately, its fine.
I'm living in Asia at the moment, so they're relatively easy to come by. Sent from my SHV-E300K using Tapatalk 4
You don't have to be in Asia. Heck, there are some pretty good fakes all over the Asian markets here in MN. They are everywhere. However, modern fakes intended to fool a collector I do not take kindly to. I had a stamp made COPY that I hammer into any modern fake I lay my hands on.
The one I have is of a 1921 and was part of a "Coins of the World" folio that sold for ₩40,000 ($30.00). It looked more like it was a gimmicky souvineer than an intentionally deceitful forgery. Copyright is odd here. I see Disney character used in signage that almost certainly wasn't authorized, and other branding that gets incorporated without, I assume, too much thought into rights or licensing. There are plenty of scammers on the peninsula, but there's also a lot of people who just don't have time for due diligence. Sent from my SHV-E300K using Tapatalk 4
The funny thing about fakes in China is that I can remember people actually were not negotiable on the prices of them - equivalent of $4 for a silver dollar etc. With real, modern Chinese coins I could dicker on the sticker.
I never trust weight when dealing with dug coins. They are usually light because of leaching of minerals within the coin. I would certainly not assume it was fake just because of .14 g. I am not an expert on authenticating coins, but I would need more evidence than that.
look at this one. NGC price guide for lowest grade is 10k+. you can get this one for $1300. grass not included. LOL #mce_temp_url#
Oh man, that's great, haha. The first image sets you up with a PCGS photo of a real one, and then the punchline, a photo of the coin in the grass! Brilliant. Sent from my SHV-E300K using Tapatalk 4
Even better that "snake in the grass", is I believe a fake silver dollar not a quarter. It definitely isn't a 1796 B-2, or b-1, real or fake. Reverse is wrong.
looks like some one bought it for 1300. looks fake to me. a lot of rust LOL he is also selling an 1851 Indian head Gold Dollar. lol
