Ancient- Year 1 A Western Satraps Exception

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  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    The Western Kshatrapas
    (The Western Satraps of India)
    Isvara Datta, (Abhira intruder,unknown dynasty)
    164-165 SE (242-243 AD)
    AR Karshapana as Mahaksatrapa
    Chief Mint Mint B?
    dated Year 1. or 164 SE or 242 AD
    15.0 mm x 2.10 g
    Obverse: Bust of Isvara Datta right wearing Satrapal Cap. date in Brahmi numerals regal Year 1 behind bust, Corrupt Greek Inscription.
    Reverse: Crescent on a three arched hill over a wavy line, crescent in the left field and sun in the right field, Brahmi inscription Rajno MaHaKsaTraPaSa ISvaRaDaTtaSa Varse PraThaMe(Of Raja Mahaksatrapa Isvara Data, in the First Year)
    ref:Fishman #24.2.1 pg.209

    It is thought that this gentleman was a foreign invader who temporarily dethroned the reigning king Vijayasena, acting as supreme ruler for about 1 and a half years, until the throne was recovered by Vijayasena in 164/5 SE. His coins are dated in Saka Era, like all other issues. (I have his coin but that's for a different thread)

    All coins of Isvara Data are very Rare but yr. 2 overstrikes are oober rare.

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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Atta-boy, Noob
     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Good on ya.
     
  5. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Wow, did you get a raise at work, your sure post'en nice coins Master Noob..:)
     
  6. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Now I know everyone is eagerly awaiting me to show the coin of the emperor who lost his throne and then recaptured it...

    Vijayasena Kardamaka, son of Damasena
    As Ksatrapa 160-161 SE (238-239 AD)
    As Mahaksatrapa 161-173 SE (239-251 AD)

    Vijayasena Kardamaka as Mahaksatrapa dated SE 164 (242 AD)
    AR Karshapana 15 mm x 2.14 g
    Obverse: Bust of Vijayasena wearing collar and satrapal cap. Corrupt Greek legend around.
    Clear Brahmi date behind bust 164.
    Reverse: Crescent on three arched hill over a wavy line crescent in left field and sun in the right field. Brahmi legend- Rajno MaHaKsaTraPaSa DaMaSeNaSaPuTraSa RaJnoH MaHaKstrapTsa ViJaYaSeNaSa
    ref: Fishman 23.3.164

    (Of Raja Mahasatrapa Vijayasena, son of Raja Makastrapa Damasena )

    *Cough* The most common dated coin in the whole series!



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  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    "Hey Isvar, keep my seat warm."
    - Vijayasena
     
  8. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    If you can find just the right hat... instant Halloween costume for ya, Noob!

    "Dude, you were supposed to come in costume! It's a costume party."
    "Duh.. I'm Vijayasena."
     
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  9. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Geesh, what Kshatrapy-coin, A-Noob ...
     
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  10. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I was able to acquire Dr. Fishmans Book and a wadd of these coins so I am out here practicing. I think I am finally getting to sort of- kind of starting to understand the construction and main shapes (letters) of legend. The book does a great job of color coating the legend components.
     
  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Come on TIF people out their are gonna think I have a mullet and a Fu Manchu :eek: and this guy's beak has nothing on mine.
     
  12. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Rajno MaHaKsaTraPaSa DaMaSeNaSaPuTraSa RaJnoH MaHaKstrapTsa ViJaYaSeNaSa

    :eek:

    That's some legend.
     
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  13. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer


    You a funny guy...
     
  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.



    Well OK, if you're going to get fussy about it, glue on a stache and wear a mullet wig. :D
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Right! It Looks Like that! In fact I think it's easier to understand. In the respect that the legend makes sense that they are not abbreviations but the titles spelled out. So it can make ID relatively easy when you know what each letter look like.

    MaHaKsaTraPaSa = Mahaksatrapa = Emperor / Shah / Augustus!

    KsaTraPa = Ksatrapa = Governor / Satrap / Caesar!
     
  16. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I called Microsoft support the other day and the guy said, "Hello, my name is Rajno MaHaKsaTraPaSa DaMaSeNaSaPuTraSa RaJnoH MaHaKstrapTsa ViJaYaSeNaSa. How may I be helping you?"
     
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  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    :cool:
     
  18. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    :eek:

    ...I believe you...
     
  19. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    those are great, the color on the second one is awesome.
     
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  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    If I ever get the urge to acquire an Indian coin, I'm blaming you Anoob :D Interesting pickup!
     
  21. Whizb4ng

    Whizb4ng HIC SVNT DRACONES

    I don't know why but these coins always remind me of a skeevy nightclub owner who sits in the corner playing with his mustache going 'Yes, Yes, Good, Good'.

    Another awesome pick up Noob!
     
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