Political Counterstamps, Jefferson speaks!

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Tom Maringer, Dec 17, 2006.

  1. Tom Maringer

    Tom Maringer Senior Member

    The new off-center facing portrait of Thomas Jefferson on the 2006 nickel is an ideal canvas for counterstamping. The space to the right of his face is perfect for a nicely sized and placed word balloon. Finally, after years of silence Jefferson speaks out! Here is a photo of one that has recently been seen in circulation. There are others. You might want to keep an eye on your change.
     

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  3. ikes4ever

    ikes4ever Senior Member

    he should be saying
    support our troops
     
  4. bruce 1947

    bruce 1947 Support Or Troops

    I agree, I know Thomas Jefferson would say support are troops and support freedom for all mankind.

    BRUCE.
     
  5. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Tom,isn't it actually illegal to do that,as that constitutes defacement of the coinage? I know that is definitely the case over here in New Zealand.

    Aidan.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    That's one of the differences in countries - in this country it is not, unless it is done with the intent to defraud.
     
  7. Drusus

    Drusus Pecunia non olet

    US law concerning coinage:

    “Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes,
    falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of
    the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current
    or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States;
    or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or
    sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into
    the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered,
    defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or
    lightened— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
    five years, or both.”
     
  8. 9roswell

    9roswell Senior Member

    with intent to defraud
     
  9. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Of course that would make the "hobo" nickels and the "Kennedy looks at Lincoln" pennies illegal.

    I am awaiting the massive arrests which will surely follow.

    Give the Secret Service a break from chasing 1933 double eagles.
     
  10. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Where is the intent to defraud in making hobo nickles, or counterstamping cents?
     
  11. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    There is clearly no intent to defraud.
    First: "any such coin, knowing the same to be altered,
    defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or
    lightened" referrs to passing coins that had precious metals (gold or silver) removed for the purpose of cheating the receiver. Not the case here.
    Second: I believe the intent was to make it illegal to produce and pass counterfeit coins and currency.
    Also, the mutilate section was intended to outlaw the making of 'love tokens' that were so popular in the late 19th century that it was causing a coin shortage.
    Next, who would create a 'hobo' nickel with the intent to defraud? It is worth more as a creation than as face value.
    Lastly, the above Jefferson nickel would probably fall into the category of "freedom of speech".
    (Or I would hope so, unless the Homeland security reads this, and they probably do.)
     
  12. JBK

    JBK Coin Collector

    No doubt it would, and Jefferson would have loved a little spirited debate.

    Politics aside (if that is what some people are judging on initially), consider that these are a true and welcome rarity - a modern counterstamp. What was once commonplace is now a dying/dead art. There is a small handful of people in the US who are actively counterstamping modern coinage with prepared stamps, and these nickels are works of art in their design and execution. I have personally corresponded with most if not all of the people who are actively counterstamping coins these days and I have obtained samples for my collection.

    These will be eagerly sought after by collectors of counterstamps, not just decades from now but in the present time as well.

    P.S. - The current counterstampers I can think of are: Jim Skalbe (coin dealer, uses obsolete US coins), Hellenbeck (coin dealer), Andy's Coins (coin dealer), www.smalldollars.com (website), me, and now the creator of the Speaking Jefferson. If anyone knows of any others, please share the details, as I am missing them from my collection.
     
  13. Tom Maringer

    Tom Maringer Senior Member

    Another one...

    Here's another counterstamp that appeared earlier in the year. This one has been reported in circulation in Northern Arizona, Southern Nevada, Northwest Arkansas, Massachusetts, Central and Northern Oregon, and Southern Michigan. This earlier design appears to have been superseded by the more recent one pictured above.
     

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