For years I have tried to research this last Presidency cent, of a four series issue? But, to no avail! Did the two mint designers change the die design for ALL P,D, & S stampings, or did the all the mints change the dies by mistake and make all "presidency" cents with a small "of" on the reverse? I have several 2009 cent questions regarding this cent mintage. Also why the Lincoln silver PROOF dollar was stamped with a "P", not an "S"? Can these scarce (L4) minted coins be valuable sleepers? I will "Thread" later in detail, about the many unknown Lincoln cent oddities. Any valid information or record, of the above, would be greatly appreciated. J.P.
have you seen the die concepts??? check coin world I believe the did a run about them in 2007 or 8 dunno
Regarding the small "of", it wasn't a mistake. It's the way it was designed. Since the branch mints don't make their own master dies and master hubs (they're all made in Philly), the design would be the same for all mintmarks. The Lincoln proof commem dollar has a P mintmark because it was struck at Philly. They all have a P and they're not scarce.
Hi, the US mint should know if the designers styled the small "of" on the reverse, or if the engraver changed the dies from the first three capitol "OF" issues, but they won't say?? I remember in 1959, I started to collect "New shinny coins". The Cleveland Plain dealer, or Cleveland NEWS, printed an article That the Fed's told banks not to issue any more 59 pennies. The change to the small "of" from the last 50 years was a mistake and they printed them the same, until 50 more years in 2009?? . Because so many 1959's were out it was too expensive to change dies and never recalled them. They decided to flood the market with million and millions more. NOTE: For many years the 59, in circulation, has become very scarce, or not found? Also they slowly became high in value and found only in BU rolls?? I could use more validation than just "Say so". Thanks for you input and I do know where the "P" is from, but why was the proof not made in "S" ?? and the cents were, as usual??? J.P.
Ok, perhaps I didn't understand what you're asking. I doubt that the engravers would change the design on their own. Maybe someone else can shed more light on your questions. Nevertheless, welcome to CT.
Thanks, for some reason the 1958 cent large ("OF") changed on the 1959cent to the small ("of") and the 2009 capitol ("OF") was changed to the ("of") on the last 2009 Presidency cent? fifty years seems to be a significant marker for Lincoln cents?? J.P.
The designs you see on the coins are the designs as they were when approved. And the Cleveland News may have printed such a story, but if they did they were wrong. The Small O in oF was how Gasparro designed the coin and how it was made for the entire fifty years of production. There was never any order not to issue the 59's, and they have never been higher priced or "valuable". It is just that people just suddenly notice something they haven't noticed before and create theories or stories about it. Often falsely saying they will be recalled and will become valuable. For example when the first of the redesigned 20 dollar notes came out in 1998 there were a lot of stories about how they were going to be recalled because they had the wrong date on them. They had Series 1996 on them. Of course they has Series 1996 because that was the year the series was authorized. Also they made a big deal over the oF on the cent, but never noticed that the Franklin Half had had the same thing since 1948.
I agree it is not the first small "o" minted and I would "some what" agree about not being very "valuable"! Mint also does not disclose total mintage for all Satin and Mint bronze cents? (Including the 50,000 X 4 Lincolns.)??? Then again changing new dies to a small "of", by all mints, in the middle of a planned series issue and for a very low minted "Presidential" cent, seems unlikely.
You are exactly right. I understand only 50,000 Lincoln chronicle proof sets were minted, besides the BU Lincoln silver dollar Mint coins? Why were the proofs not made in the usual San Fran.?
Actually, in modern commerative proof silver dollars, more of them were struck at Philly than at SanFran.
Thanks for the reminder of the Lincoln dollar being a "Commemorative". How could one view original coin designs, made by the original designers? I am still at a loss about the exact mintage, for all purposes, of the two "Presidency" bronze and satin 2009 Lincoln cents.
