Not DDO. If it were Bu I won't be thinking a clash of some kind? In this grade Post mint damage is all I see
Jello, The coin is 100% new. When I bough it. In the little envelope had MS63. In the past. About 2 years ago I open a thread with an "old penny". 1967. Exactly, exactly with the same doubling. At that time every body told me PMD. But I still believing that: THIS DOUBLING IS IN THE DIE. And... for more than 50 years.
Here, we start again. Do I have too much imagination? Do You identify something in that area; or not?
Personally, yes. I think you are looking a bit too hard at the coins and are trying to see things in damage that aren't there in actuality.
You are right non_cents. You check things "for hubby". I do the same "for living". INSPECTION is my work, for more than 20 years. That's why I spend a little more of my time to every single thing. Some time in the night I can spend 1 hour in a single coin. WITHOUT THE INMAGINATION OF GALILEO GALILEI. THE WORD ITSELF STILL SQUARE FOR SOME PEOPLE.
Wow you grade coins for a living... i wish i had a grader near me... nearest one is an hour away and i cant drive... great condition coin... i see no error or die clash or anything
And even with the imagination of Galileo a damaged coin is still going to be a damaged coin. Galileo supported all of his claims with concrete evidence. He proved them.
don't none of you other CT guys see that little red man with a crown on his head inside of the circle ? I'm going to have to start spending a hour on each coin looking at it before I trash it. I may start finding coins with queens , kings or about anything on my older cent coins from way way back .............. no I'm just kidding around
If those two marks were doubling, which I don't see either, what element would it be doubling of? I just can't see what it would be. There is not an element near those marks that resemble them.
I believe he is saying the eyelid and the mouth crease. However , it is such an extreme distance of rotation, there is no way it would double there and no be easily seen on the lettering above the head or the collar below the marks. The curvature of the damage tpo the eyelid or the mouth are not the same as the original. PMD in my opinion.
Please don't take offense for my post. You posed a question and I proposed my opinion. I understand that you do a lot of searching. Unfortunately, all errors and varieties need some pretty sound logic behind them. As Jody said, you need concrete evidence to back up your claims. Saying that you see a little man with a crown in the head of Lincoln doesn't make much sense, because there really isn't a scenario in which such an error can occur. When looking at a coin, you need to really think "how could this have happened at the mint?" In the case of this particular coin, as stated, it does not appear to be a doubled die. Sometimes a little too much imagination can be a bad thing. We can create all sorts of crazy errors out of coincidental damage. Everything starts to look doubled, etc. You need a good mix of logic-based reasoning and imagination in order to be a successful searcher. But that's just my opinion...
I DIDN'T GRADE THIS COIN. "When I bought" On the little cover was written MS63. (This coin is in my hands. And I know that; doesn't have any Damage yet). That's why I still believing if there's some damage. This is in the Die no in the coin.
non_cents, It's ok. I know it's nothing personal. I love keep checking coins. And something I discover all ready is that. In old coins, because "the dirty conditions". Some time is most easy to see the different levels of the surface; and for that reason you catch the errors most easy. Now, this 1909 seem like never went to the street; is very new.
Carlos you have a nice looking coin here and IMO it is a normal cent . these dings,nicks and scratches don't make a coin worth more they take away from the value. instantly after a coin is struck it is dumped into a big bin with other coins and more coins being poured down on top of it. then the coins are put in big mint bags then taken out and counted and put in rolls. after a coin goes thru all of this it has to have damage somewhere. anything done to a coin after it is struck even at the mint it is considered damage to the coin. what to look for is the coins with less damage and they grade higher.
