Help with obverse legend on Byzantine coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ValiantKnight, Aug 23, 2013.

  1. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    I have this Maurice Tiberius follis that, ever since I got it, have been wondering what the seemingly-random letters are all about. I'm pretty sure they are supposed to make up his name, but why would they just look like mixed up letters? It's from Antioch, IMO one of the best mints in the late Roman and Byzantine Empire, so I doubt they would just been putting random assortments of letters without any meaning on their coins. My only guess is that it is a combo of Latin and Greek letters. Thanks for any help I can get on this.

    Maurice Tiberius
    Obv: Garbled legend (nITNNC ~ - ~ TIAITAPPIV?) , crowned and mantled bust facing, crown with trefoil pattern, holding mappa and eagle-tipped scepter
    Rev: Large M (40 nummi), with ANNO left, cross above, and regnal year in right field, THEUP in ex, Theopolis (Antioch)
    SB 532

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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Great coin, brotha!!

    I have an example as well, so if and when somebody in-the-know responds, then maybe we'll both be able to fill-in the blanks!!?

    :)
     
  4. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Would be great to know if more than just me benefited from my topic :)
     
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  5. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I'm reading nITNNC ~ ~ TIANTAPPIV
     
  6. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    You have to get out your Captain Midnight decoder.

    :)
     
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  7. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Oh-oh-oh => Read mine, read mine!!

    ;)



    Maurice Tiberius AE Follis a.jpg Maurice Tiberius AE Follis b.jpg


    ... oh, but don't mention his "nose" (he gets very upset if you mention his nose)
     
  8. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    DMTIUCONITANPPAVI?
    At least yours looks like it makes more sense than the legend on my coin.
     
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  9. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    DMTIUCONI TANPPAVI
     
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  10. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Correct

    ;)


    thanks fellas
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Quoting Sear Byzantine under 532: "Legend normally a badly blundered form of the inscription of Tiberius II. e.g. piTINOC ~ ~ TIANTAPPIV, but less blundered from "year 8"." Your two coins are years 6 and 9 nd tend to suggest Sear had a clue. Mine is year 17 and you can read Maurice so is considered 533. I note that BMC and other older works gave 532 to Tiberius so the lettering has been a matter of discussion among scholars. rz0230bb0789.jpg
     
  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

  13. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    here's my only maurice tiberius, legend seems to jive..

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    nice lookin' coin vk, mixed up legend or no.
     
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  14. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Any thoughts as to why they blundered the legend into nonsense in the first place? Perhaps the die engraver had a lot of trouble writing letters/words?
     
  15. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    waht, are you czray? => taht's nosnense!!
     
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