Victoria - to Hanover

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by nyhariel, Dec 22, 2006.

  1. nyhariel

    nyhariel Senior Member

    Last time I`ve received very nice token: Victoria the queen, horseman, inscr. TO HANOVER (should be "fur Hannover"), date 1837. Brass, size and weight like british farthing. The legend I`ve heard is that it was made to remind, who is legal earl of Hannover. Is it true?
     
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  3. Mikjo0

    Mikjo0 Numismatist

  4. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    More specifically, that Victoria could not become Queen of Hanover (a German State) because it followed the rule of male primogeniture, making here ineligible. Her uncle, George III's son and George IV's brother, who was not very popular in England, succeeded to that title, and the tokens were a sort of "bye bye Duke of Cumberland" comment.
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    The Ebay examples are pretty crummy looking, I have a nice one, no crud, probably about VF or so, any idea what it is worth?
     
  6. Car10

    Car10 Senior Member

    I have one of those. I got it from my grandfather. He passed away about fifteen years ago. I had done some research on it. If I recall correctly it is a gaming token. I forget what my source of that info is though.
     
  7. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Roy,Hanover was following Salic Law,which was also applied to Luxembourg in 1890.In Luxembourg's case,it was Queen Wilhelmina who could not succeed to the Luxembourgish throne,as King Willem III was the last Dutch Grand Duke of Luxembourg.The heir to the Luxembourgish throne was the deposed Duke Adolph of Nassau (ruled 1839-66).He succeeded to the throne as Grand Duke Adophe of Luxembourg & ruled until his death in 1905,when he was succeeded by his son,Grand Duke Guillaume IV.Upon his death in 1912,Salic Law ceased to apply,as the controversial Grand Duchess Marie Adelaide (who abdicated in 1919 & died childless in 1924) became the first reigning Grand Duchess.

    Aidan.
     
  8. bart

    bart Senior Member

    Even in my country, Belgium, the Salic law was abolished only in 1990, leaving the chance on king Albert II's grand-daughter Elisabeth to become once queen of Belgium.

    bart
     
  9. Aidan Work

    Aidan Work New Member

    Bart,I have also heard that Norway has also reportedly abolished Salic Law as well.It will be nice to see some portraits of reigning Queens on the coins of these countries,that is,when they eventually succeed to the Crown.

    Aidan.
     
  10. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    Yes. The socio / political statement made by this token (usually referred to as a `Cumberland Jack') suggests that the Duke should move off in short jerky movements in the direction of Hanover. He was very unpopular in the UK.
     
  11. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Not that it matters much :) but in those days the Kingdom of Hannover (or "Hanover" in English) was not just a state but a country. In the 1860s it was conquered and "swallowed" by Prussia, so when the German Empire was founded, there was no kingdom of Hannover any more that could have become a German state ...

    As for the "Salic Law", Sweden also modified the primogeniture regulations, so the next head of state will most likely be ... Queen Victoria. :D And in Spain the government promotes a similar move, although that would not affect the current Prince of Asturias (and next king) but the generation after him.

    Christian
     
  12. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    Chris, In English usage "State" can mean an independent country as well as a unit of a federation or confederation. I was following Krause, which refers to the multiple Germanic pre-empire countries as "German States" (with a capital "S").

    The Japanese Diet recently abandoned discussions of changing its succession laws to allow a reigning Empress when the Crown Prince's younger brother had a son. The Crown Prince has only daughters.

    Japan has had reigning Empresses in the past, the most recent one having occupied the throne in the early-mid 17th Century, during the Kanei era, well known to numismatists as a period of very high production of brass cash coins, the "Kanei Tsuho" variety.
     
  13. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Ah, I see. Thanks - makes sense then to call Hannover a state. :)

    Christian
     
  14. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    Any ideas?
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    I suspect very little. I managed to find an auction record where a lot of about 6 tokens, one of them being the one in question, sold for about 65 euros.
     
  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Sorry, but: 65 euros= $?
     
  17. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    As of 30 seconds before posting this, €65 = US$85.33, but exchange rates fluctuate faster than coin prices. :D
     
  18. Ian

    Ian Coin Collector

    They are common as muck over here in Britland. You would be lucky to get £1 each for them here. I gave about 20 or so of these away to a collector in the US only a few weeks ago basically because i'd paid for the postage for a package and wanted to make sure I got my monies worth out of Royal Mail. ;)
     
  19. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

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