1914-D Lincoln Wheat

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by JSinNOLA, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Then take it back.


    Welcome to ebay (and selling coins in general). Take it back.


    Not cool, but it is clear he does not want or like the coin, so take it back.


    Regardless of if he actually took it to a dealer or not, you need to understand that "dealer" does not mean "expert". With a coin as popular as this, it is reasonable to assume that most real dealers should be able to ID a genuine specimen, but such a claim is really nothing more than he said she said. Your best move is to simply take it back and sell to someone else. Being as his claims are contradictory, I would not worry much about his supposed threats, but do take precautions when accepting the return. You may want to video tape the opening of the package, or if very concerned of a switch-out, take it to the police station and request that they witness the opening.

    The main thing here is that the buyer is clearly not satisfied with his purchase, so even if you did nothing wrong and think his actions unacceptable, just refund his money and take the return. Fighting with this guy is not worth the headache or hassle, especially when ebay will likely side with him anyways. Block him and hope that deciding to be the better person will keep him from negging you.
     
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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Well, sort of. There is not way anyone can guarantee a coin is authentic solely from a picture, but I see nothing wrong with that coin.

    Can he sue? Well, sort of. He has to file in your state and I doubt he could win more than his money back. All he has to do to get his money back is to file with eBay, so why should he go to the trouble of suing? It sounds to me like he is trying to build a case to get his money back and keep the coin (or switch the coin with a fake). You need to make sure eBay requires him to return the coin you sold him.
     
  4. JSinNOLA

    JSinNOLA New Member

    Thanks for the quick responses.

    I've escalated the matter to require him to return the item to me before I issue a refund. I'll definitely video myself opening the package when/if it arrives. That was a really good idea!

    Still, how would someone even go about faking a 1914-D by messing with the mint mark? That part really doesn't make sense to me.
     
  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Oh! Believe me there are lots of them out there. Some times they are glues/soldered on the coin. Some of them actually drill a tiny hole in the side of the coin and expand the metal into a MM. Try looking at this one http://www.cointalk.com/threads/1889-cc-morgan-smart-purchase-or-really-bad-one.220174/. To save you reading the entire thread, it turned out to be a 1889 silver dollar with an added MM.
     
  6. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    If a buyer returns a different coin, how will Ebay look at this?
    At that point, both sides are saying they did not receive the correct coin.
     
  7. JSinNOLA

    JSinNOLA New Member

    Here are some more pics of the coin in question.

    Also, this is what he is saying now, "under magnification you can see tooling marks at the top of the d the whole d is thinner than it should be and we compared it to a pcgs graded 1914 d and there is an impression around the entire mint mark which clearly shows it was altered"

    "and by the way look at your pictures on your posting and look at the d you can see the tooling at the very top of it"

    Does that at all seem accurate from these pics?
     

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  8. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    He does not know what he is talking about. The D changes as the die is used and wears or gets filled with grease.

    As for the "impression around the entire mint mark", it was hand punched with a die. When they hit it too hard, it leaves an impression. Here is one on Heritage with an impression http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1188&lotNo=3145

    Regardless, you are going to lose this in the long run. eBay sides with the buyer. Why not just offer his money back and drop it.
     
  9. gubni

    gubni Active Member

    Just give them a refund and resell it if they send back the same one. I doubt there is any chance you can convince them you are right.
     
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