Fake trade dollar.

I have a fake "CC" trade dollar I want to sell. It's not marked copy and it's not silver. I want to sell it. If I advertise it as fake, what can I expect to get for it?

 

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I'll pay a buck.

 

About that much.

 

On eBay, you get your item removed and if the government catches you, up to 20 years.

 

I don't do ebay. I have a local site I sell on.

 

I have an 1879 CC Morgan fake. Pretty convincing copy. It is not for sale now and never will be, but that's just me......

It is a fun conversation piece as I start throwing around what appears to be a $5,000 coin.

 

Have a jeweler put a re-breakable crack in it(so it can come apart and be put back) them drop it.

 

hahahaaa yeah you would be lucky to get a buck for it but junk is junk sorry !!!

 

That looks awfully real to me. What evidence do you have that suggests it's fake?

 

Not even close. Mintmark doesn't line up correctly, angle of eagle's feathers off, font of E Pluribus and United States do not match up (seraphs), and wreath is lopsided. Other than that, it is a good fake.

 

Well, I will have to grade your paper a 25%. The coin was die struck from a counterfeit die that was created using laser technology from a real Morgan. The details are spot on accurate, including, the wreath, font, and eagles feathers. The issue is that the coin used as the reverse "model" was from a common date CC and not the 1879. Now since the CC was punched individually into the working dies, there is considerable variation and there is no 1879 CC VAM that has a mint mark that looks like my coin, the other details are perfect.

 

I've been hearing about laser cut dies as of late. The "build a better mousetrap" philosophy seems to be working with the chinese.

There will be one day, where a counterfeit cannot be detected from the real coin. When that day come, it's going to make collecting suck. MARK MY WORDS.

 

Sorry, I call it like I see it. All those details are definitely wrong. Laser technology and all---there are obvious signs of the fake, and I am correct in what I point out. Nothing against you, but your coin wouldn't fool a serious Morgan collector.

 

Yes, I am concerned about the quality of Chinese fakes. At this point I think education is our best defense. This particular fake is really not much of a threat though. There are other problems with it besides the CC mintmark.

The first thing you should notice is, Where are the bag marks? While certainly not proof, it should set off a red flag or two.

The other issues you need to have the coin in hand. If you hold the coin by the edges, the thing that jumped out at me was the reeding felt wrong, it was way too rough.

If you took the time to count the reeds, the count was wrong. I don't remember what is was but it was incorrect for a 1879 CC Morgan. (BTW, not all Morgans have the same reed count, you need to look it up for year and MM)

And lastly, the easiest tell of them all. This coin is not silver. At least not 90%.
The coin does not ring correctly and it comes in weighing slightly light.

Funny thing is, it was advertised as being struck on a 90% silver planchet. Who knew you can't even trust you friendly local counterfeiter. LOL

 

I have to agree with Mikem on this one. The CC placement is incorrect, but comparison to photos of genuine examples shows no difference to these untrained eyes. I would like to see a transparent overlay of the fake, positioned identically for size and orientation over a genuine photo. I believe any differences to be subtle at best, but probably noticeable to someone who has seen thousands of Morgans.

 

Aw, you just couldn't let it go. I have studied this coin for over a year and can tell you, that you are incorrect. Here is a superimposed image. The purple coin on top, is the the 1879 CC VAM5 that is used as an example on the VAM World WEB site. The coin underneath is mine. The opacity is set to 60% so you can see both coins fairly clear. I have offset them so the details are easy to compare. As you can see the details match up near perfect, except for the CC. When I line them up, the two images all but completely merge except for a slight difference due to camera angle and/or lens focal length.

 

Ask and you shall receive

 

nice job and good info.from what I know china fakes are made with utmost attention to even the smallest detail including composition.they have even made it through some professional grading services from what I understand.

 

Told you, the eagle wings were off, and they are. Angle isn't exactly the same--it is close, but not the same. You proved my point for me.

 

The angle appears the same to me...one coin is just shifted lower than the other. If it was shifted up, I would think the overlay would match almost dead-on.