Ancient, Indo-Scythian

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  1. TJC

    TJC Well-Known Member

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    Indo-Scythians. Soter Megas. Circa 2nd Century AD. Æ Tetradrachm. 8.35gm, 23mm
    Radiate, diademed, and draped bust right, holding sceptre, symbol behind / BASILEVC BASILEWN CWTHR MEGAC, King riding right on horseback, holding sceptre; three-pronged symbol of Soter Megas before. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4088

    Vima Takto (or Vima Taktu) a Kushan emperor from 80–90 CE was long known as "The nameless King", because his coins showed the legend "The King of Kings, Great Saviour". The discovery of the Rabatak inscription helped connect his name with the title on the coins. His empire covered northwestern India and Bactria towards China.
     
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  3. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    oh yeah, i dig me some soter megas..nice one.
     
  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Great lookin' coin, TJ ... nice pick-up

    => oh, and long time, no see, my ol' coin-friend!!

    :)
     
  5. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Interesting
     
  7. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Soter Megas of mine....
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  8. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Indo-Scythian maybe but definitely Kushan.

    In recent years this has become a very popular coin type.
     
  9. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I can't say I'd apply the term Indo Scythian to the Kushans but have not researched it so I won't say it is wrong. Soter Megas Coins are attributed to three mints scattered over their real with Taxila being most common. Kapisa and Balkh are the other two and sometimes merge in my mind more than I'd like. Taxila coins are distinquished by rounded letter forms which are easier to see on some letters than others.

    When shopping for these coins be aware that there are two deniminations that can look the same in photos. The big one is called unit or tetradrachm weighing around 8g while the small one is a quarter unit an 1/4 the weight. I really doubt the original users called the coins tetradrachms but collectors do what they must. This is a 9 ray (explained below) slightly over 2g quarter unit. The other coins shown in this post are all the larger size.
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    There are two features I suggest you seek out when buying the coins. They seem to have been dated or split into series by the number of rays above the head of the portrait. Coins with countable rays are worth more than coins unclear or off flan. I believe the range is 14 to 5 rays but I have never seen a 5 and many coins are unclear enough that I would not bet on the accuracy of the count. That is why I like coins that are clear in that area. I'll show a 7 ray Taxila (rounded letter) and 12 ray Balkh (squared letters).
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    The other feature I value is the legibility and completeness of the reverse legend. Very, very few coins show all the letters at full height allowing you to read Soter Megas (Great savior) Basileus Basileon (King of Kings). Of the coins I have seen the Taxila one below has the best reverse in this sense. Yes, I realize the obverse is a total loss.
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    Don't pay too much for these coins in poor shape. They are common. What is rare are nice examples with clear rays and full legends and sharp details.
     
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  10. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I have one of these!!!!

    AE Tetradrachm, 20.9 mm x 8.42 g based on Doug's Analysis, I would assume this is a Taxila Mint coin.

    Oh and BTW At one time weren't all Central Asian people referred to as Indo-Scythian (Ptolemy Geographia?)

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  11. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    here's mine...

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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ... ummm, I'm gonna toss my only Indo-Scythian coin into the ol' ring (just because)

    :rolleyes:


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  13. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    While on the subject of Indo-Scythians, I have this....;)

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  14. dougsmit

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    Yes and this is the 5 ray type I had not seen. Its only fault in my book is the loss of the legend reading Soter Megas leaving only King of Kings.
     
  15. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    The reverse of this Alexander the Great coin has always puzzled me. It was minted in Macedonia but has a Karosthi on the reverse. Any thoughts ?

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  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Hey Traci, I see Greek. ALEXANR??
     
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  17. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    So Noob what do you think ????
     
  18. stevex6

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  19. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I guess what I am saying is that I don't see the Kharosthi. I see straight, legible Greek text. On the top of the reverse of the coin is a what appears to be a monogram.

    Notice the Kharosthi on the reverse of our coins, it looks like a series of squiggles. The text on your coin is blocky and rigid and reads like Greek....;)
     
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  20. norenxaq

    norenxaq Active Member

    Soter Megas was a Kushan king not indo-scythian
     
  21. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Thanks Noob, it would have had to be sideways at any rate. I guess its just an ancient coincidence. :cool:
     
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