1733 Rosa Americana Two Pence

I have a 1733 Rosa Americana copper 2 pence does anyone have any knowledge about this coin?
I may be selling it on ebay and would like to no more about it! Im not a coin expert but my father was a collector for many years! He actually got this coin from my grandfather in Youngstown, Ohio

Thanks for your help!!!

Tina

 

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Rosa Americana Pattern Twopence Dated 1733
Obverse: Head of King George II. Legend – GEORGIVS II. D.G. REX
Reverse: Rose with crown above it. Legend – ROSA AMERICANA UTILE DUL
I am in the process of posting a photo.

 

If genuine it is a very rare pattern coin, however there are a great number of replicas out there.

 

I never posted a pic here before I hope I did it right!
Thanks everyone

 

I have posted a pic for you to see! I hope you can help me find more info on my Dads coin!

 

I wish I could help you out more. There are only three or four genuine pieces known, and many many fakes. I hope yours is another real one, but it should be looked at by an expert to determine it's authenticity.

 

I found your coin in my Krause 18th century world coin catalog. under United States "Royal Patent Coinage" section. your coin is a pattern KM#16 1733, 4 known, 1 Norweb specimen valued at $19,800 I am guessing that 1 is in very great shape. It would be worth the money to get it slabbed by PCGS or NGC third party grading company. you might have a very rare pattern coin there. my recommendation is take it to a coin shop and ask someone to look at it. do NOT take the first offer on it either. you need to get it authenticated. good luck, Craig (spirityoda).

 

that would be so cool if it is real. envy is the word.

 

Thanks for your reply! My father has had this for many years he and my grandfather belonged to the Youngtown Ohio coin club.. He use to have a letter from a Walter Breen a one time coin associate of my grandfather he tells me... So I guess putting it on ebay is out of the question! Well im on my own since my fathers stroke so maybe oneday I will figure it all out.. I wanted to sell for my dad!
Thanks again,
Tina Marie

 

Thanks for your reply! My father has had this for many years he and my grandfather belonged to the Youngtown Ohio coin club.. He use to have a letter from a Walter Breen a one time coin associate of my grandfather he tells me... So I guess putting it on ebay is out of the question! Well im on my own since my fathers stroke so maybe oneday I will figure it all out.. I wanted to sell for my dad!
Thanks again,
Tina Marie

 

wow a letter from Walter Breen. he is a famous numismatist who wrote an incredible book on coin varieties. he is known by most all coin collectors.

 

you might try selling it with Heritage Auctions. known for auctioning rare and high end coins.

 

Fascinating story Tina Marie. Take Peter's advice and have a TPG look at it and if it's authentic contact one of the well known auction houses. Heritage, Stacks-Bowers, or someone else. I wouldn't even consider eBay at this point. Please keep in touch and let us know how you do. Good luck!

Bruce

 

forget Ebay. your coin could be worth $3,000-10,000+

 

Thanks so much everyone for you're replies!! I am very appreciative..
My entire family has always been collectors of some sort! Guess it runs in the blood!
As for me, I wish that I had spent more time with my Dad working with his collections,
but I lived in FL & he in NYS.. Until his awful stroke happened.. Yes life changed for us all.. I now take care of him & thank God everyday that I am able to take care of him.. I am not good with this kind of stuff!! I'm really a baseball mom! LOL
My son plays for the Washington Nationals Minor System, so ask me about baseball & I may no but as for coins I'm stuck! My true wish is for a collector that really would appreciate this coin to want it! My dad says there is someone out there that it is ment to have it so for now I guess I will just sit back and wait if anyone shows interest in it then I will do whatever we need to do!

kindest regards,
Tina Marie

 

I have a good feeling it is real. it has to be authenticated first. I know someone out there will want it badly. to be known as the 5th coin would be so amazing. if it gets slabbed in plastic by a third party grading you might ask them to put your grandfathers or fathers last name on the slab/plastic for posterity to famously known.

 

If legit, it would be a pattern proof and worth up to $55,000.

Here's a pic of a legit and beautiful 1733 Rosa Americana Pattern Twopence - http://www.stacksarchive.com/viewlot.php?auction=ST0505a&lot=192

The quickest and easist way to determine if your coin is a replica, or the real deal, is to look at the direction the rose is facing.

Real coin the rose faces right. Most replicas it faces left.

Your rose does not face right.

Upon close examination there are many additional subtle differences.

Here's some good news... it appears your coin may be a "Robinson" copy. "Robinson" copies are quite collectible and depending upon the grade and metal (brass, silver etc.) may be worth $300-$1500. That's quite a bit more than the $5-$20 a replica is typically valued at.

Here are a few additional tests you can do yourself in order to detect if yours is a replica (most were made by casting or electrotyping).

Weighing the coin is a great place to start. An authentic one weighs between 17 and 18 grams.

Cast copies and many electrotypes have a seam along the outer edge. Also as with casts, electrotypes generally will not "ring." A ring test often is used on coins to determine whether a coin is solid and struck. When it is balanced on the tip of a finger and struck softly with a pen or pencil, a genuine coin usually will produce a high-pitched ring. Most electrotypes and cast copies will merely "thud" or "clunk." Since these pieces are not actually struck, they have relatively little solidity.