Two coins in the same thread make it tough to keep the post straight. I'm going to only talk about the 41-S at this point. Several letters on the reverse show damage along the rim. (ATES OF AM) and (ONE). Note the flat look of the letters and the scratches between some of the letters. This was caused by a rolling machine. The coin was at the end of the roll. I'm calling it AU because it has that look from the images. Lack of luster, rub on the bands and just too many marks to call it MS. It's had lots of handling over the years. With better images I might call it MS Details but damaged. Luster breaks are tough to see when the white balance is off. Hope this is of some help.