Morgan Dollar grade please - 1881 O toner

Well GBROKE, those colors look like they were applied with a spoon! I appreciate your comments none the less. Looks like I'm in the minority.

 

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I found this in a post, here on cointalk, posted 12-26-2008 by Vess1, concerning artificial toning. I only copied the last paragraph. I assure you this is not taken out of context.

"I also read something about spotting being an indicator. Spotting is a screw up that has to be left or attempted to cover up, typically on higher dollar coins. Naturally toned coins should not exhibit any spotting."

I agree 100%, naturally toned coins should not contain any spotting. Google (Morgan dollar questionable color), you'll find tons of info. I'm not trying to be a pain in your neck. Honestly trying to help.

 

I don't know even know what that means. I don't know anything about toning and the fancy lingo that comes with it.

Thank you for the help. You must be very experienced when it comes to toners since you were able to find a very general statement on the internet and copy and paste it.

Anyway, here some examples of high grade, pcgs slabbed toners. Where these all applied with a spoon? I am also not trying to be a pain. Just trying to learn.

 

Greg;

Don't forget to post this under, "Post a toned coin" thread in the US Coin Forum. You will get some more ooh's and aah's there, along with grade opinions as well. If you ask for them.

 

It's good that you took the time to find similarly toned coins. Keep looking! This is how you will learn. :yes:Your toned morgan, and some of the morgans in the examples you provided, would not be accepted today as naturally toned, by PCGS or NGC. No longer "market acceptable".

Can I have one of the "gbroke likes this" anyway? :hail:

 

gbroke, let's take another look at this.
This a forum, a place do discuss ideas and opinions. not a contest.
You posted a coin and solicited opinions. I responded with mine. Your 1st response to me was condescending (Well, stinkycat....) and quickly descended to sarcasm (You must be very experienced when it comes to toners since blah blah blah).
I've expressed my opinions. That's all they are.
If all you want is rubber stamp approval of your views, what's the point?

 

Not sure if you realize this but you are talking to, as far as I know, one of the more experienced and knowledgeable toner collectors out there. The main reason he is even asking for advice is he isn't confident in grading Morgans, not that he isn't confident in the toning.

It's kind of like Einstein said "Check out my new theory guys" and then all the other geniuses of the time were like "Nice theory bro" and then one guy he'd neither heard of was like "Yeah but Einstein I think your whole premise is flawed cuz I read this thing this one time..."

Not saying OP wasn't slightly dismissive, just trying to put it in perspective for you.

 

+1 and well said.

 

Since this is the "What's it Worth" forum I will give you my completely novice 2 cents worth. MS64 with a premium for attractive natural toning. $250. Of course I could be way off. Getting it graded by a TPG is another question. You could get lucky and get a higher grade or a PL designation, then in my opinion it would be worth getting graded. Please let us know what you decide.

 

Well, I have decided to send it in. Due to a few chatters of "64", that gives me enough motivation.
Thanks for the opinion everyone, even you stinky!

 

I'm sure we'd all like to know the results when they come back.

Out of curiosity and as a slight hijack, is there a difference in toner premiums between different coin types? Say for example nickels and Morgans? I know toner premiums aren't an exact science anyway, but I am just wondering if they are more defined for coins with more toning examples (is there say a much larger population of toned Morgans for some reason?). Or is it just the general 2X, 3X, up to 6X for all the denominations.

 

Certain types will carry much higher premiums for toners. A few examples of those are Peace dollars, Standing Liberty quarters, and to some extent Walking Liberty halves. There simply aren't as many colorful and attractively toned examples available. I personally feel that colorful toned clad coins should get much higher premiums than their silver counterparts. For example, you can find a boat load of silver Roosevelt dimes, but finding nice toned Roosevelt's from 65 and up is much harder to do. Same with Kennedy's.

 

Some of the nickels that Lehigh has are absolutely stunning. I know he paid a steep premium for some of them, well over book value.

 

A lot of them the toning looks like it was applied with a spoon though.

 

You are right about that. The thing with Lehigh's nickels is that if you look past any toning, they are very high grade, and pricey nickels to begin with.
When it comes to Jefferson's, large premiums can be had if they are high grade, and slabbed.

 

Wow! So it's OK for a senior member to be "slightly dismissive", and not OK for me to express my honest opinion? I have made a mistake. This isn't really a forum. It's a place for coin enthusiasts to stroke each other's egos.

 

Lego my ego.

 

I'm confused. I have been tinkering with my coins trying to tone them. Does it matter what kind of spoon I use? I have a standard stainless teaspoon.

 

This would probably work better.

 

gbroke/stinkycat.. I think you all need to settle this little feud between you two.

I say submit the Morgan.. If it slabs stinkycat pays the submission fees.. If it gets body bagged gbroke pays the fees. I will even submit it to keep all things fair and square. Then after this you two can kiss and make up.

Just saying.