Help with this Off Center Strike

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by HowardStern, May 18, 2013.

  1. HowardStern

    HowardStern Member

    I just purchased a strange looking, off centered nickel. I bought it because it looks different than most off centered strikes.
    I paid on the high end for it and would love to hear some good news. The obverse and reverse of the off strike are not alligned whatsoever.
    The obverse is normal looking, while the reverse is a lot more off centered. Any info would be great. I just spent the last hour looking at different off centered strikes and cant find another that is similar.
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I have about 25 of these off centers that are dateless picked from bags. Sorry to say I see a maybe $20.00 error here. I have these that are dated and with full steps if yours had a date and full steps you have some value. I'll post a few to give you an idea what to look for. 007.jpg 008.jpg 009.jpg 010.jpg neat looking error but dateless errors are very common.
     
  4. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Paddy, I think the question is about the anomaly on the reverse. It sure is a nice looking coin, unfortunately I don't have an explanation for what you're seeing. I'm sure an error expert will chime in soon.
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    I am going to stick my neck out and offer a possible explanation for how this error occurred.

    My theory is this off-center nickel was struck twice (if not more times).

    First Strike - The planchet entered the coining chamber and was struck off center. The off-center nickel then stuck to the hammer die (obverse die).

    Second Strike - A new planchet entered the coining chamber normally. The hammer die came down to strike the planchet and the off-center nickel stuck to the hammer die became a partial brockage. The obverse of the off-center nickel received a second strike from the obverse die while the reverse of the off-center nickel got smashed into the blank planchet in the collar. The previously struck details on the reverse of the off-center nickel were distorted by the blank planchet. The blank planchet also created a partial brockage in the reverse of the previously-struck off-center nickel. When the dies came together for this second strike the portion of the previously-struck off-center nickel between the hammer die and the blank planchet came under extreme pressure (because of a double thickness of metal between the dies) causing the metal to flow toward the edge further distorting the previously-struck reverse.

    Somewhere out there is a cool partial brockage. It would be the coin that was struck in the collar when this off-center nickel was stuck to the hammer die.

    Anyway, that is the best explanation I can come up with.

    :sniper: Fire away!! :sniper:
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    what

    Error expert? I've been collecting errors and nickles long before you were born! It's IMHO a off center strike and yes does show some signs of what looks like blockage however again IMHO its not an high dollar error coin. I have sold over a hundred of Jeffersons without dates struck just like this one for $10 each.


    Blockage:{ a mirror image of the design impressed on the Opposite side of the same coin}
     
  7. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I don't at all doubt your ability to identify errors, Paddy. I just didn't see a direct answer to the question. I wasn't at all insinuating that you weren't an expert, I was just commenting that maybe someone could offer an explanation for the anomaly in question...No need for condescending remarks.
     
  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

  9. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I'll be interested in hearing Mike Diamond's take on this one. It's not your garden variety $10 off-center strike though.
     
  10. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    You mean BROCKAGE??

    This in no typical double struck nickel and I would bet that is worth 10x your assessed value. You could have owned millions of them... I'm sorry but your assessment was incorrect.
     
  11. HowardStern

    HowardStern Member

    I do have quite a few cheap off centered, dateless coins. I thought the same thing Hobo stated. That it might have been stuck on the obverse, and struck quite a few times on the reverse. I am aware that dates and full steps would bring a little added value to your typical off center strike. I try to buy only off center strikes with more errors. I like double errors. I even have the same partial collar, obv brockage Paddy does.
    I sent another odd off centered nickel from the same dealer to NGC and it was attributed as off centered with reverse indent. This new one I bought looks totally different than any other Ive seen. It looks different than the multiple struck ones Ive seen too. I'll send it in with my next submission...whenever that will be?
     
  12. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Keep us posted. It is a very interesting error and I would like to know what the experts say.
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I agree with Hobo that this is a double struck off-center but I have a slightly different explanation of how it occurred. The first strike was well off center. On the second strike was more on center but there was also a blank planchet between the reverse of the coin and the reverse die. The additional pressure allowed the obverse die to wipe out all or almost all of the first obv strike. On the reverse the first strike impressed itself into the blank planchet causing some distortion but preserving the details. Between the edge of the first strike and the edge of the second we see the indentation of the blank planchet.
     
  14. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    That is very plausible. I would like to see Mike Diamond's explanation.
     
  15. HowardStern

    HowardStern Member

    No definitive answer as of yet. Id really hate to send this in to a tpg for attribution. There are better experts on this site and the info is free. pcgs would charge over $60 now. That's ridiculous! I buy and sell most error coins for under 50. Anacs only charges about 15 but collectors hate anacs slabbed coins. Should I just anacs this for the info?
     
  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Where is Mike?

    Perhaps PM him?
     
  17. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I agree. PM Mike Diamond and see what he says.
     
  18. HowardStern

    HowardStern Member

    Ok, I'm definitely sending it to ngc for evaluation.
     
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