For the Copperheads, Please Grade

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Delawarejones, Dec 7, 2006.

  1. Delawarejones

    Delawarejones Junior Member

    Here is an interesting coin from my collection: an 1854 Large Cent. Please give me your opinions of the grade. Also, do you think it has been cleaned. I suspect a prior owner gave this coin a frequent bath to maintain its original copper color. The green tarnish is more vibrant in person, but the reverse gives a better representation of the true color.

    For those new to numismatics the Large Cent minted from 1793 to 1857 is the same size as our current $1 golden Sacagawea. Big copper!

    Delawarejones

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    The color sure seems to have been played with.
    Sorry, but, I think cleaned.
     
  4. Captainkirk

    Captainkirk 73 Buick Riviera owner

    I think it would grade XF, too much wear to get an AU. The color looks funny, but I don't know a lot about detecting lightly cleaned coins, the fields look ok to me, except for the dings on the right obverse.
     
  5. YNcoinpro_U.S.

    YNcoinpro_U.S. New Member

    Harshly cleaned EF-45/ AUAU detail coin.
     
  6. NathansCoin

    NathansCoin New Member

  7. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    What features give this away as cleaned? I can [sometimes] detect cleaning on silver coins, but I'm not at all sure about copper.

    Thanks.
     
  8. Delawarejones

    Delawarejones Junior Member

    It's cleaned, at least for me, because there has been wear on the coin, and I think it's XF too. With wear the coin loses its red luster and turns brown. It does not take much handling for this to occur.

    with the bright red original copper showing it's a give away. However what attracted me to the coin was the green tarnish on the obverse and reverse. I suspect whatever cleaner a prior owner used caused the chemical reaction on the coin, which adds to its beauty.

    Thanks for the grades so far, keep them coming.

    Delawarejones
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    XF details, cleaned, net VF is the ANACS grade.

    VF 30 sharpness, cleaned and retoned, Net F, Average is the EAC grade.

    You can tell the coin has been cleaned because there's "red" showing on a circulated coin which should be "brown" in coloration. The blue-green hue also suggests the cleaning.

    All IMHO...Mike
     
  10. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    I would say the coin has been very harshly cleaned at one point. It has xf-45 details IMO. I would not recommend submitting it for grading anywhere but NCS or ANACS
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    There is something else that is to me easier to see. Look at the red areas, see how they shine and reflect the light - there is no luster. If the coin were original red, there would be luster. But if the coin were lightly polished with a cloth to reveal the red color then there is no luster.

    I also agree with the XF45 details.
     
  12. thunder_puck

    thunder_puck New Member

    XF details. Improperly cleaned, nicks. Net VF 20.
     
  13. skm06

    skm06 Member

    Here is a picture of mine, with similar wear for comparison. I would agree with XF details

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  14. EdsCoin

    EdsCoin Senior Member

    Very Fine 30
    Don't know about retoned but definitely cleaned
     
  15. De Orc

    De Orc Well-Known Member

    Even though it has been cleaned it is still a fine example for any ones collection, I would be more than happy if it had come my way :D

    De Orc :thumb:
     
  16. Delawarejones

    Delawarejones Junior Member

    Hey, SKM06:

    Thanks for your comparison pic. I agree with the XF for grading. You have a great coin, too.

    Delawarejones
     
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