1881-S Morgan MS-62?

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  1. kccoinguy

    kccoinguy Active Member

    obv_1.jpg REV3.jpg I found this in a ICG holder graded MS62. Am I crazy or is this under graded?
     
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  3. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I think that all grading services are insanely hard on 1880s, 1881s, and 1882s coins, as there are so many nice ones slabbed. The grade given is within what would be expected for the coin--could have graded a 63 just as easily, but as I said, TPGs are hard on that date.
     
  4. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    You will usually find that the obverse carries more weight in grading than the reverse. However, the reverse can knock a grade down more easily. I think this was the case here because of the scratch across the "O" in OF.

    Chris
     
  6. iGradeMS70

    iGradeMS70 AKA BustHalfBrian

    The coin was probably dinged for subdued luster.

    There may have been other factors that resulted in such a low assessment by ICG, but I can't tell from your pics. I see what might be scattered contact marks on the cheek.
     
  7. petro89

    petro89 Member

    Plus the reverse strike is below average in my opinion for an 81-S.
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    plus, there is no real difference in value for an '81 S.
     
  9. silverfool

    silverfool Active Member

    I think that's it. there are so many sharp crisp 80-81-82s morgans it has to be real nice for a 63. in a lot of other years that would be an easy 63.
     
  10. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    I thought it doesn't matter how many examples of MS/UNC coins exist in a particular year?! Shouldn't grading be strictly objective?
     
  11. silverfool

    silverfool Active Member

    you can make a case for that being how it should work but in the here and now that's not how it does work. for instance what makes a 63 in say a 1917 walker probably wouldn't in a 1947 walker. they take into account the different strike characteristics between mints and over the years. the grading people have just developed that business model over time.
     
  12. Galen59

    Galen59 Gott helfe mir

    Yes we are very hard on certain Morgan's, I was going to give it a 60-61, mostly from the Eagle breast, could be a weak strike, 62 then.
     
  13. stinkycat

    stinkycat New Member

    The rough obverse fields and weakly struck reverse knock this one down to 62, IMO.
     
  14. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Evidently that surface threw them off. Later die state. Some of that luster obscured by the dip. MS63, for my money.
     
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