How in the Heck???

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by LostDutchman, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

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  3. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Maybe
    HMM, What am I missing here. Sure its a weak strike but they didn't grade it 66. Maybe a little market bump because of rarity, Personally I don't like the coin, but I am good with the grade.

    Mike
     
  4. talkcoin

    talkcoin Well-Known Member

    It's a weak D and NOT a No D... :eek:
     
  5. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    Bingo... I'm not sure how it sold for as much as it did in the link I posted.
     
  6. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Buying the slab and not the coin?
    It sure looks like there's a D there to me too.
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Just another example of them cutting slack, being lenient, being generous - whatever you want to call it - on coins of particular value, scarcity, or pedigree.

    Am I surprised ? No, not at all. The only thing that surprises me about it is when others are surprised when they see examples of this. I mean it happens so often and has been going on for so long that nobody should ever be surprised by it when they see it.
     
  8. mas4492

    mas4492 Junior Member

    It is graded according to die state. I say it's weak D too. Correctly graded, though.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I don't understand how it made it all the way to auction without someone seeing the D.
     
  10. mas4492

    mas4492 Junior Member

    It's not the 'D' so much as the second "2'.
     
  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    So in this instance, where PCGS misidentifies the coin, are they liable? Or are they just going to punt and say its a "clerical error" so they do not have to be held responsible for shoddy work?

    What if they label a "poor man's double die" as an authentic 55 DD, same answer? Just wondering at what point ARE they responsible for anything.
     
  12. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Now I get it ...........:eek:
     
  13. mikem2000

    mikem2000 Lost Cause

    Actually in the auction description, it mentions the shadow of the D if it is tilted right. I guess in the photo it was tilted right :)
     
  14. fusiafinch

    fusiafinch Member

    Depending on the Buy price for the buyer, there's still a way to make money on this. Send the coin to PCGS and have them re-evaluate it. If it is a mistake and they change the designation, doesn't PCGS have to pay out the difference in price?
     
  15. talkcoin

    talkcoin Well-Known Member

    Not if its a Clerical error... But since it has the Pedigree of what collection it's from, I doubt they can claim that it is. Also, their (PCGS) guarantee is not for retail $$$ but something different...like dealer wholesale $$$
     
  16. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    This coin was in a no reserve auction here last night.

    It went for $2750 plus the 19% juice.
     
  17. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I would agree with your designation, but look at the Heritage's slab picture. It does not justify everything, but at least it looks a bit more plausible from the slab picture.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Only when they decide that they are responsible.

    edit - besides, if memory serves they don't guarantee attributions at all.
     
  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Wow, 45% haircut (at least) for the previous owner.

    I see Numismedia lists $56K+ for an actual no-D 1922 in this grade. I wonder if the buyer is simply angling for a big payout from PCGS...?

    Edit: didn't see Doug's last post. Sound like plenty of tears for everyone in this transaction. Except, of course, the auction house.
     
  20. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    In some cases the forums bring enough attention to a coin and the TPG will step in and fix it.
    It probably turns out to be good PR for the TPG.

    I'm lost on this coin. Just a funky image?
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    When you are trying to see the luster or color on a coin you have to roll and tilt the coin to see the luster, yes ? That's because some things can only be seem from a specific angle. But yet you cannot see the luster or color from other angles.

    Cameras work the same way, cameras can only show you what is actually there on the coin. They cannot show you something that is not there. And just like how it works with your eyes, so it works with cameras.

    In other words, no it is not a funky picture. It is merely a picture that was taken a specific angle that allows us to see that the D is plainly there and very evident. And given just how evident it is I suspect your eyes would also see it from many different angles.

    In other words - they blew it, plain and simple.
     
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