1953 Penny Date mint error

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  1. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    Is this a mint error? Look at that "1" and "9". Thanks for your opinions!
     

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  3. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Damaged. The coin took a few hits. The fact that there is metal displacement is evidence of this.
    Keep up the hunt!
     
  4. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    Hits from what? Lol. Did that metal heat up in liquid form? Thanks for the opinion.
     
  5. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    Something scraped or hit the coin in that area at some point after it was struck. it is not a mint error. The hit was strong enough to displace (push) the metal causing it to appear like it is.
     
  6. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    Wow. How did that metal end up sticking back onto the penny if it was physically displaced like that? So your saying that happened at the mint, after it was struck? Just trying to understand this.
     
  7. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    It most likely happened when the coin was in circulation, I didn't say it happened at the mint. It is what we call PMD, or Post-Mint Damage. As for your question on the metal, imagine the coin being made out of clay. You can hit and flatten the date and it is still connected to the coin. But the bottom line is it is damaged outside the mint and is not an error.
     
  8. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    I'm still really not getting that. Is there anything on pcgs or other grading sites on this? The whole metal displacing thing seems to be far fetched. So something smashed the "1" and splatted the "9"? It would have to be in liquid form. I don't know how this happened after mint but it's weird.
     
  9. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    You don't have to buy it. However, you asked for an opinion and I gave one. Can you fully explain how it happened at the mint? If not, then how can you be sure it is an error in the first place? It isn't far-fetched at all to see this is damage...coins get damaged all the time. Here's a coin I found a few years back that has damage similar to yours. (Excuse the picture...it is from 2 years ago.)
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  10. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    How so? When something hits metal with enough force something has to give. The metal will be pushed from its normal position to another position; i.e., the metal will be displaced.

    You don't have to be a metallurgist to know that metal does not have to be in liquid form to be displaced. Any blacksmith will tell you that.
     
  11. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    Does PCGS or any other reputable coin grading service have any hard evidence on this "metal displacement" theory? Those ultra tiny pieces of metal displaced would be flying all over and shouldn't be sticking to the coin like that in my opinion. Thanks for the input but I need more evidence of this process.
     
  12. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    You have been given some great (and correct) information about this coin.

    Instead of brushing off this information... Why don't you explain to us how this DID happen at the mint?
     
  13. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    Can you explain to me how this could happen after the mint? Also, in detail.
     
  14. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    It has been explained to you several times...

    I'm sorry we can't forensically break down what contacted your coin... But it's pretty simple... Something contacted your coin at just the right place and angle to push the metal out of the way...

    Your turn.
     
  15. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Copper is soft. Nothing falls off when it takes a hit. It just moves it around. Just normal stuff.
     
  16. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Can you explain to us how this could have happened during the minting process?
     
  17. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Once you open enough machine wrapped rolls, you'll see that there is nothing magical about this at all. The rolling fingers that close up the end of a roll do this type of moved metal damage all the time. With rolling fingers you'll see it on the last couple of digits of the date and on the L & I in LIBERTY.
     
  18. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    There is no metal displacement "theory", because it is a fact. How about YOU explain exactly how it happened at the mint. I will stand by the others with the very simple explanation that something contscted the coin and pushed around the date. Copper is a maliable substance. The details can be pushed around while still remaining attached to the coin.

    What am I doing? I didn't convince you the first few times, I doubt this will do anything either. You can believe what you want to believe, but when you ask for opinions and they are given by experts such as Lostdutchman, Hobo, and the others, why continue to oppose them?
    :dead-horse:
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    1) Put a cent down on a hard surface
    2) Hit it with a hammer at an angle
    3) Observe metal displacement
     
  20. maverickx31

    maverickx31 Member

    I would love to see anyone replicate something like that in the way you describe Kentucky.
     
  21. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I would still like to hear your explanation for why and how this happened at the mint.
    Tip: saying damage can't cause what you are seeing is not a valid explanation.
     
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