Ancient engravers use optical magnification or reduction technology?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Collect89, May 28, 2013.

  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Consider me a simple man.

    If you strike a highly detailed 5 mm 0.4g masterpiece, then the proof is in the pudding.

    Seriously try it with a piece of modeling clay. Press out a 5 mm diameter piece and take a needle and "draw" what you can.
     
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  3. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Pudding Proof

    I'm going to post this new one in my thread describing my small Greek coin collection. Here is a quick snap shot:


    MYSIA. Kyzikos.
    AR Obol ca. 450-400 B.C.

    0.85 grams, 11 mm
    Obv: Forepart of razor-back boar left,
    tunny upward behind
    Rev: Head of roaring lion facing left
    within incuse square
    Grade: gEF fully struck, Almost mint
    on a porosity-free, choice flan.
    Other: Similar to Sear 3848 but w/o "K"
    Von Fritze II 9; SNG France 361-72;
    SNG von Aulock 1213; SNG Kayhan 54.
    From Barry Murphy May 2013.
     

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  4. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    By the Gods - the proof!
     
  5. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I have a question about the date of this little Obol coin. The seller stated circa 450-400 B.C. However, the Sear book seems to state 480-450 B.C. How would you recommend describing this coin's date?
     

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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have one of these (not near as pristine), but I have it attributed as Sear 3850, 480-450 BC. The biggest difference I can see is the star above the lions head on my coin:
    Kyzikos, Mysia obv.jpg Kyzikos, Mysia rev.jpg
     
  7. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    This is a very interesting thread. I think it's akin to discussions about the mechanical processes of ancient minting, inasmuch as there are probably several answers that suffice. Certainly near-sighted die sinkers would have had an advantage, and probably some sort of rudimentary magnification technology may have been used. There is a third possibility, though. Human hands can be trained to do remarkably intricate things on a microscopic level, with only a modicum of visual input. I'm thinking of the oriental art of rice grain painting. You can search Youtube for artists accomplishing this astonishing feat, and see that it's done mostly by touch...

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    Yes, that's a grain of rice.
     
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