1999P double chin nickel

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by treasuresmcd, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I'm not by any means an expert on Jeffersons...but the first picture (where you drew attention to the G of GOD) is die deterioration doubling, which is very common. And I'm pretty sure that the area you noted at the neck is just part of the design, which you can see clearly in this photo...http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jefferson-Nickel-Unc-Obv.jpg
     
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  3. AWORDCREATED

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    Oy vey. "split serifs" ... "notches" ...
     
  4. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    At some point you have to ask yourself what the odds are that what you are seeing on both the obverse and reverse is hub doubling. On both of these coins it is not. You are seemingly seeing the same things on both sides of almost every coin you look at. This should tell you something.
     
  5. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I see neither of what you mentioned. What I DO see is flat and shelf-like doubling on the whole obverse as well as in some parts on the reverse...it is mechanical doubling. Please read up on mechanical doubling and then look at your coin. You will see that it is not a doubled die.
     
  6. AWORDCREATED

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    I C Double

    The feature is ubiquitous, the doubling is not. Load up those images full size in paint.
     

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  7. AWORDCREATED

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    that ^ is on treasuresmcd's coin
     
  8. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I can't even tell what I'm looking at in that last picture.
    It is even more evidence of die deterioration or mechanical doubling if it is on both the obverse and reverse. But if you want to send it in, please do. I would like to hear the results, even though I am already fairly certain of what the outcome would be.
     
  9. AWORDCREATED

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    Who?

    You?
     
  10. AWORDCREATED

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    OK, more hi rez, can you see it now?
     

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  11. AWORDCREATED

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    five at a time please ....
     

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  12. Coin-Dude

    Coin-Dude Active Member

    I think we can all see what you see in the pictures.
    Opinions about what we call it are different.
    Send it in.
    A coin in hand is so different than what we see in pics.
    Good luck!
    :dead-horse:
     
  13. AWORDCREATED

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    Wonderful. If everyone admits it has notches and splits, why do they hesitate to say doubled? We have two coins struck by the same die both with the same doubling, that should eliminate machine D. Right? If the same die does the same thing over and over again it is the die, nothing else, amirite?
     
  14. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I don't think "everyone" admits it has splits and notches, if you want an end-all be-all answer, send it in.
    2 coins struck by the same die DOES NOT eliminate mechanical doubling. Mechanical doubling can occur on any cent, and therefore, it can also occur on 2 cents from the same die.
     
  15. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I agree with Simon. I mostly search BU rolls where I find several coins from each die pair. Usually when one coin shows MD, I'll find that all coins from that die will show MD.
     
  16. AWORDCREATED

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    In that case Occam's razor would say it is more likely that the issue is in the die rather that the machine malfunctioning exactly the same way over and over?
     
  17. AWORDCREATED

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    What do you call the thing at the bottom of this 9?
     

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  18. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I call that thing "I can't see because the image is too pixelated".
    To answer your previous question, this coin may not even be from the same die. There can be two coins from two different dies that both have mechanical doubling. Even if it WAS from the same die, the anomaly would still be mechanical doubling. But again, if you want to get a final word, send it in to an attributor. As there is nothing I can see so far that makes me think doubled die.
     
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