1988 overpolished? Transitonal error, DDR

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by minerman16, May 17, 2013.

  1. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    1988 P 1C Back FG.jpg :rollling:This cent looks like it has been hit with a grinder, IGWT is struck on a roll in the planchet giving it an upward pull. The reverse looks like a 006 and the 5th and 8th poles are doubled? Help....
     

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  3. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    around the IGWT is due to die wear and not an error
     
  4. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member


    Die wear is a "problem with the mint, minting process or devices there of" so yes it is an error. Believe me I have argued that point before. What about the other devices I am seeing?
     
  5. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    As for the obverse, it's just heavy peripheral die deterioration. The reverse looks like RDV-005 to me.
     
  6. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Anything that is used is going to show wear and tear. This is an unavoidable process, and the mint doesn't even attempt the impossibility of trying to avoid it. I don't see it as a problem with the mint or minting process. When your tires start to show wear, do you consider it a manufacturers error? Having said that, I have no problem with people collecting unique forms of die deterioration. It can sometimes make for some neat novelty coins.
     
  7. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    Are we talking about normal wear of a cent or the hammer die wearing out and not being changed?
     
  8. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    I'm talking about wear and tear on the dies themselves. What are the normal tolerances for the mint? If the mint sees a ridge line from deterioration form and says, "meh, no big deal", is that an error coin?
     
  9. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    Yes, if a blank planchet is an error, then one with a ridge across the top would be an error also. They loaded this blank into the die and used it, therefore it is a product of their devices. What about the poles on the reverse?
     
  10. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    If the tires show "wear" before they leave the manufacturing plant, then yes, that would be a manufacturer's error.
     
  11. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Then by your definition, a die polish line would be a mint error. The difference is that the mint would say that it was an absolute mistake on their part to let a blank planchet escape. They would say that signs of die deterioration are a normal part of the minting process and no big deal.

    As for the poles on the reverse, this is one of the most frequent questions that comes up about the memorial building. The seeming "doubling" of the 5th and 8th columns is actually part of the design and represents a "perspective" look at the memorial building. Those shadow "columns" are the edges of the wall immediately behind the front columns. You can see exactly what the designer had in mind if you look at this photo:

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  12. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    And if the dies showed wear before they even started making coins, then that would be an error in manufacturing. Then we'd have a die variety basically.
     
  13. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    I got it about the poles. I looked at some mint cents and there were the doubled poles I thought I saw. Thanks guys. The rest I will chalk up to wear.
     
  14. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    I got a little clearer picture of the initials and replaced the one I had in my original post. This has to be an RDV-006 transitional error. The G has a serif and a longer vertical leg.
     
  15. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Looking at that new picture, I would agree. Nice find.
     
  16. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    I use a Kodak ESP office series scanner/printer. I usually use windows fax and scan to scan in my cents. Does anyone got any hints
    as to getting better pictures.....and heck yeah........I finally found one. Those 88's are hard to find. :hail: Which is the most scarce or rare; the 88's or the 88 D's, and do they have an 88 S?
     
  17. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    I don't know for sure. There appears to be the horizontal bar, but the FG looks pretty far away from the base of the memorial.
     
  18. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    That is the only thing I see that makes it a little off. Maybe the polishing? This cent does have several issues going on besides being transitional.
     
  19. minerman16

    minerman16 New Member

    Also my cent has to be a RDV-006 because of the A and M. Check it out.....[​IMG]
     
  20. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    That matches up. Good find.
     
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