I havent treated any of the tokens as I was waiting for comments from this thread, so none of these then will need ny verdi treatment as they are all quite nice and no active verdi that I can see. I am looking at a newer lense for my nikon D90 and beter macro photography, hope to post new piks soon! As for what I paid I did well from what I can tell, these were mixed in with a batch of wheaties and large canadian cents and some british large cents......the seller was mostly interested in selling his 90% silver (which I offered $200 more for than the large well known shop in town) and he was impressed so asked me if I bought "pennies"........ mlgdave