1893-CC Morgan Silver Dollar

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  1. firesideguy

    firesideguy Member

    Found this 1893 Morgan-CC Silver Dollar today while cleaning out my grandfather's numismatic collection. It was just loose in a box. I placed it in a 2X2 flip.

    Since the family has to liquidate the collection, is this coin worth enough to bother to have it graded?

    Sorry about the images - only have a flatbed scanner here today.

    1893_CC_Morgan_OBV.jpg 1893_CC_Morgan_REV.jpg 1893_CC_Morgan_REV_MM.jpg
     
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  3. Lanny

    Lanny Mr. Nice Guy

    Made VG8 VF EF

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    378,000

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    $225

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    $518​

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    $1,200​

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    $1,850​

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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    The pics are a bit small, but it looks harshly cleaned...?
     
  5. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    If it's not harshly cleaned (and it's hard to tell with scans) I would say around $1000. So in my opinion I would have it graded if it's not harshly cleaned.
     
  6. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Judging from the hairlines and the washed-out look, your coin looks very harshly cleaned. So your '93-CC would probably just get a "Details" grade. I would say VF details, net grade of F.
     
  7. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    look more closely at the 3, it's an altered date coin
     
  8. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Altered from what? An 1898? If so, that would mean that the mint mark would also be fake.
     
  9. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Better pictures would help....
     
  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I can't see anything in these pix.

    agreed
     
  11. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    an 1892-CC would do very nicely
     
  12. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

  13. firesideguy

    firesideguy Member

    Just got home and was able to re-scan the coin enlarging it 400%.

    The scanned images appear darker than the actual coin - especially through the 2X2 flip. The coin is much, much lighter that the images present.

    So then it appears from the comments the coin could be altered at the '3'? Perhaps the larger image may assist in pointing out additional area(s) of alteration.
    1893_CC_Morgan_OBV_LG.jpg 1893_CC_Morgan_REV_LG.jpg
    As far as cleaning goes, I have no knowledge of that being done but there are some straiffing marks on it. Whether these marks are/were from cleaning or manufacture I have no idea.
     
  14. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Looking at the clearer pictures, it could be an altered date. But looking at the VAM-1 picture, it seems that the 3 does line up in the right position, compared to an 1892 where the 2 is slightly lower. Also, the CC seems to match up with the mintmark on the reverse of a VAM-1, but while there are die breaks at the top and bottom shown in one of the VAM-1 photos, the poster's coin only apparently shows lines resembling die breaks at the top, including the slight bulge above the A shown in the VAM-1 photo. At any rate, the coin doesn't seem to match up with any of the other 4 VAMs.
     
  15. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    There's often a rush to judgment with regard to alterations and fakes around here, especially with Morgans. I'd counsel the OP to avoid jumping to conclusions, and that even though it appears to have been cleaned, a professional certification of this coin would be justified.

    Meanwhile, I wish I had a grandfather's coin collection to sort through :)
     
  16. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    A good rule of thumb is, if the lines run parallel to each other (like straight down or straight across), or criss-cross each other, they are signs of harsh cleaning.
     
  17. vam78

    vam78 Firefighter/Numismatist

    I could not agree more Collector1966, but it's a nice coin regardless of its condition. It's a Morgan! :hail:
    BTW: Hello Everyone! This is my very first official CT post.

    "A slab cannot display a coins true beauty, unless it's an NGC Slab"..... j/k....:D
     
  18. vam78

    vam78 Firefighter/Numismatist

    I wish I had the opportunity to buy her. If she ever comes up for sale please let me know as I don't have a 93-CC in my Dansco yet. :)
     
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    vam78 Firefighter/Numismatist

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