1989 Penny?

Pronounced does not make it have a premium. I'd say it's worth under $100.00

 

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If it happens before it leaves the mint (mint error). It if happens after it leaves the mint ( PMD ). Therefore, I say error.:sniper:

 

Rockdude, you see what I am sying there. Someone in that post said that the particular cent in question would probably carry a premium because it has nice eye appeal....that's what pronounced is.

 

Got it!

 

May I refer you to the Error Coin Encyclopedia ( 3rd ed.) by Margolis and Weinberg. pg. 65 "Errors - a definition.'

"An error coin is a coin which has been made improperly and issued accidentally as the result of some malfunction or failure of operation in some phase of the minting process ".

Notice that it is in the minting process, not the physical condition of the die, nor does it include any change after the strike such as being ran over by a skip loader inside the mint. It is up to the point of strike/ejection. Your definition is wrong.

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The person who was supposed to replace the worn out die......FAILED to do his part of the minting OPERATION and change the worn die. I agree with this definition, and this cent would be considered an error according to this definition.:devil:

 

I stand by the fact that I stated earlier, that die deterioration doubling is just evidence of a naturally-occurring process. It IS on the site error-ref.com, but we don't always agree on the same thing.

 

May as well collect everything, then call it an error. All imperfections are naturally-occurring processes. Write another error book. This is making me crazier than I already am!

 

I think it's a great discussion and gets people thinking about what would be considered an error.

Not all imperfections are naturally-occurring processes. Take die clashes for instance. Dies have a set "safety distance" between them so when a planchet is not in the chamber, the dies will not touch each other while running. Due to some circumstance, the dies become close enough that they will clash if there is no planchet present. This is not a naturally-occurring process. People intentionally set up the dies and took safety measures in order to prevent the dies from clashing, but they did. This is an unintended anomaly that can happen at any time in the dies' life, and is not a naturally occurring process.

 

Ok add it to the list.

 

Amen, stated like a pro noncents.... just like the guy( lets call him Teddy ) that didn't change the worn die. His failure of operations in his area of the minting process created this 1989 ERROR. So Ted is off somewhere knitting a sweater in the nursing home, living off his retirement check from the U.S. Mint; and we are here talking about his handy work:whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:

 

There is no "Teddy". Again from the same source I gave before ( which has an excellent group of chapters on minting.
" At all U.S. Mints today, there is no inspection system in use to check the output of the coinage presses or any of the intermediate stages of coin production", pg. 40. They were referring to business strikes ( which your is ) as production of proof coinage is different, and the dies usually strike only a certain small number of proof coins and then changed. So there is no inspection. Dies are ran until the current production is done or they break.

 

Of course there is no Teddy, if you believe in him then you believe in the tooth fairy. ( If there were a Teddy ), by lack of his earlier work, he made this cent. It passed what inspection they don't have and BAMMM....error coin.ld-guy-smile:

 

Even though I have thrown every coin I have found like these into the "roll 'em up" pile, some people pay quite a premium for them.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-25-C...em5af0c76517

 

Wow, why didn't I think of that? Try and throw a little coin offer into the OP's thread. jay420umpteenthousand. C,mon man, have some some discrepancy. We are talking about what makes an error; not what is on sale at the goodwill.

 

He didn't throw an offer out there. He was just giving an example of a sale.

 

Well, let me give an example. WAIT,......I don't have a cheesy website where you can buy lame coins; but if I did I would post it.

 

The website is Ebay. Get out much?

 

Even though I appreciate it, don't worry about taking up for me with frankstony. He must have been picked on in high school because he tries to start an argument with everyone. Even earlier in this thread he tried to accuse non cents of making up the error type that this coin actually is. He didn't even know it existed. Maybe he is the one who spent the $71 on those junk 2013's. Maybe that is why he is trying to be such a prick about it. By the way Frank, or Tony, or whoever you are, I don't "have" ebay either. I wish I did. I would be rich enough to have a lot of "lame" coins.

 

Jayumpteenthousand, that makes what? 60 or 61 likes?