Hello all, Can anyone tell me what would cause these features on these pennies I've found recently? I've been reading up on how doubling occurs, but could not find anything on Google or on the search feature here regarding this. Any information would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance
Do you own any power equipment? edit: sorry for this snarky, unproductive comment ... i was too quick to look at just the first picture and spouted off just as fast
I would venture to guess they are "weak strikes" or maybe die grease. Sometimes the dies will get filled in with grease in areas on the die causing the design to kind of disappear. I could be wrong about that but thats what I think is happening here.
Now, is that fair to say the conclusion includes the fact that the rim is in tact all the way around, yet the middle looks "worn" ???
That's because these coins are not "worn". The lack of detail is the result of grease coagulation in the crevices of the die. Whatever area of the die the grease is obstructing, the coins being struck will show an obscured image around that area.
Right, but I guess what I was trying to say is, they look at first glance like someone or something outside the mint did something to them, but yet the would be classified grease filled because ....shoot...trying to be clear....what characteristics verify it to be a grease filled vs. PMD of some sort...hope that makes sense...
If someone put this coin to a grinder in an attempt to replicate a struck-through grease cent on a zincoln, they would strip the coin of its copper plating and reveal the silver-looking zinc core. The coins pictured sbove just show a lack of detail without any peripheral damage such as scratches or gouges, so it is safe to say that they are struck through grease cents.
Also you were right about the rims. The grease plus the planchet in the coining chamber means there is more "material" than expected in the chamber and this results in higher pressure and the rims fill normally or even sharper than normal. On a weakly struck coin the rims are the LAST things that strike up so they are typically very weak or non-existent.
I can't believe it! How come my posts aren't being posted when I press quick reply? I'd actually written 2 replies and both didn't get put up with the pictures. Here is the last one for the above 2 coins: Hello non_cents, I can't believe that my post didn't go through with the pictures. I was in the process of writing the post (again... sigh!) when I saw the notification that someone had posted. I hoped that it wasn't misunderstood that I just put the pictures up and logged out. But you've actually answered what I was writing, so I don't have to finish it now. Thanks again for your expertise. Oh, but my question was something like, "What causes raised and flattened looking letters and numbers?" as opposed to some letters/numbers that appear flat, but look squished, or some letters/numbers that look like shallow hits or grinding marks with striations. Thank you again for your help, and happy hunting!
The 1984-D may be a "dryer cent". It may have been in a dryer, causing the elements to become flattened and mushy. Either way, I am fairly certain that it is just a damaged cent. (By the way, you may get better responses if you start a new thread as opposed to posting on someone elses. ) Keep up the hunt!
Hello non_cents, I've been studying this penny, and I don't think it's that 'dryer cent'. I'm still very new and learning, but I have a very analytical mind and if it were a dryer cent, given the amount of wear present, wouldn't the thin copper plating be rubbed off and exposing the zinc? Especially on the rim and Lincoln's bust where it is highest above the coin's flat base? I'd also think that the words close to the rim would be very hard to wear down before the rim did. What do you think could possibly have caused this? Thank you again
