Aurelian Potin Tet Attribition Help

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  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The dealer has this identified as Aurelian Potin Tet Milne 4381, which may be correct for all I know. I do not own Milne. So, can someone verify this reference or stir me in the right direction?

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  3. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Dated RY 4 (AD 272/3). Dattari (Savio) 5470-1; Milne 4381-2; Emmett 3922
     
  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Great lookin' coin, Chief!! => super rugged!!

    => sissy coins are terrified of this coin!!!

    :heated:
     
  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I really like the style of the coin. A very interesting eagle, I really like how the eagle appears to be in motion. I don't own the references, but I can see year 4!:yes:
    A great coin.

    Potin eh? Interesting composition.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thanks everyone and special thanks to Ardatirion for the references. I bought this coin and one other Potin Tet, a Probus, from this dealer. I'll post the other coin later after I catalog it.
     
  7. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    Anoob,

    I'd love to XRF a group of these...

    See what differences in the medal content of the Potin making up these coins...

    It would be fascinating...
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Full attribution (I think)

    Aurelian Potin Tetradrachm
    OBV: AUT K L D AURHLIANOC CEB, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    REV: Eagle standing left on thunderbolt, wreath in beak, D/L (year 4) left, star right
    Struck at Alexandria, Egypt, 29 Aug 272 - 28 Aug 273 A.D.
    7.73g, 21mm
    Dattari (Savio) 5470-1; Milne 4381-2; Emmett 3922
     
  9. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Tell me what its made of with this ray gun!


    Windchild I totally agree!

    I would love to blast a bunch of coins with this bad boy ray gun! 20 grand is not bad for a real ray gun?
     

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  10. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I'd rent one at $12 a shot...

    The nearby Uni has one (that I may be able to use this summer... hm...)
     
  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Believe what you wish. This piece mentions both theories. I prefer the interchangeable names theory but if you believe that potin is silverless then you might have to decide how much silver is allowable as an accidental impurity before you are forced to change your labels. At least the link points out that there is not 100% agreement on the matter.

    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=potin
     
  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I read that earlier today. Interesting for sure.
     
  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    BTW, remember that it is necessary to overcome the fact that surfaces and cores are not always the same material when using a speed gun. If the coin was silver washed or hoarded with other silver coins, you might get a bad reading from the surface. How deep do the XRF units penetrate? Micron? This was found to be a real problem when studying silver coins produced on blanched flans where the surface would b significantly better silver than the core. That is why some workers drilled holes in coins to gain samples below the enriched layer.
     
  14. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Here is my only Potin example ...

    Carinus Potin Tetradrachm
    Alexandria Mint
    Year 2 (283-284 AD)
    Diameter: 18.9 mm
    Weight: 7.3 grams
    Obverse: Laureate bust of carinus
    Reverse: Eagle between standards

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  15. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I believe that an XRF can penentrate straight through a coin, but the differences in elements between the surface and the centre can throw off the readings by a bit, but still close to actual percent.

    Please correct me if I make a mistake Anoob.
     
  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    The instrument would work best if the coin were homogenous. I doubt the unit can produce information about the internal structure of the coin. I am sure the technology exists. There have been great advances in NMR spectroscopy. I wonder how would you calibrate an instrument to give accurate information?
     
  17. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    The metal content of Alexandrian tetradrachms has been extensively studied. Kenneth Harl's Coinage in the Roman Economy ​should be a good place to start looking.
     
  18. Gil-galad

    Gil-galad I AM SPARTACUS

    Nice coin!

    A lot of interesting information about these coins.
     
  19. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Thanks Gil
     
  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Nice pickup. This provincial reverse type is one that I definitely want.
     
  21. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    nice looking coin jw, good details with just a bit of a rub..good info through out this post..:thumb:
     
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